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This post was edited by Mondain on Nov 16 2022 11:24am

and yet the folks of Ukraine elected the russian-leaning president from the ethnic-russian oblast and he pragmatically chose to spurn the EU's overtures in favor of sticking with being a russian satellite.

they had a perfectly kosher democratic means to enact change if that's what they wanted. And if Ukrainian had moved organically towards NATO instead of a color revolution, either they would achieve their ends through a functional democracy as an intact country or Russia's hand would be forced to interfere and make them the ones crushing the will of the people in the name of neoimperialism. Instead that's what we did. And we didn't even need Hillary Clinton to do it.

The opposition to russian centric governance has been swaying in the region for some time, we just put our finger lightly on the scale. the last legit election was comparable to HRC vs Trump, close result, but with an even more stark contrast in regional support than is our north vs south.

the vast majority of countries that share a border with russia fear russia, and some battered wives chose not to leave with the cops. if russia didnt have nukes and a clear willingness to invade its neighbors, and tomorrow we held a popular vote in each country to join NATO we both know we MIGHT fail to snag 1 country, maybe.

what i find laughable is when expounded upon you'd admit they're dirty crooks with phony elections and widespread corruption with a heavy dose of KGB cold war era tactics still in play across national borders, then would also say "ya some people just want to ally with them" right after.

Honestly,.. It seems like Russia's Military is not as 'strong' as everyone thought it was.

This entire blunder has been a huge humiliation for all countries in the area, not just Russia.

e- Imagine fearing Russia after their military failures on the world stage.

e2- Russia has first hand experience on the negative affects and effects of radiation.
Russia isn't going to nuke their neighbor, the fallout will spread into russia and europe.

e3- all of the Russian Government corruption has left it a husk of a nation.
They should have spent it on military instead of pocketing it for mansions and yachts


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But Main Stream Media keeps saying """Russia, Russia, Russia""" and people keep buying into the fear.

Oh, and it was a Ukraine Missile that landed in Poland.

This post was edited by Mondain on Nov 16 2022 12:01pm

yes, great logic. imagine being afraid that your entire country will have to go into an active defensive war which will cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of lives of soldiers pressed into service and civilians and will require your nation to be forever indebted to NATO via arms sales, because Russia MIGHT eventually lose.

what a terrible take....

You're the one who reps the hammer and sickle.

You probably praise mother russia every morning and before bed.

As opposed to the non-dirty-crooks-with-widespread-corruption-and-foreign-intelligence-interference option? smiling_hunter_biden.jpg

Democracy can't be legitimate if it involves tipping the scales with violence when you don't get your way. Democracy is really an all or nothing endeavor, the legit comparison to make would be Trump chuds actually trying to seize control of the government in an insurrection, instead of a crowd crush by a bunch of gawking tourists. If the country is so closely divided, that's all the more reason to double down on swaying public opinion for the next election cycle, not a justification for political violence to seize power illegally.

did u forget last week when you called me a commie and i told u it was a clearly sarcastic joke sig, then another user laughed at how u didnt notice?

maybe lay off the hard drugs, find a program, get some sleep.

Stop Reping a Commie Symbol and I'll stop saying what I see.

ahh yes those tourists who just so happened to show up on the day the electoral vote was taking place at the location the electoral vote was being certified. but they totally weren't there to stop that process from happening, no not at all. just a fun coincidence by a group who just wanted to walk the halls of the building their taxes paid for.

the insurrection was ineffectual, only mildly destructive, and was doomed to fail because the certification is simply ceremonial and no SCOTUS, even one with all Trump appointees, would have ruled it's required after the electors submitted their results. but the sister groping mob didn't seem to get that. and when my toddler daughter gets angry and tries to karate chop my leg i still tell her hitting is wrong through my laughter.

as ive said all along, US = bad, Russia = worse. in almost every metric. election legitimacy, international tomfoolery, prop govts, etc. Even in metrics we're more successful in Russia would happily surpass us if they were able, they're just not very good at it.

the paradigms in Ukraine that led to this point were developing long before the US supplied the euromaiden crowd with the means to hold a revolution. the 2010 election may as well have been a single issue election, align with Europe or stay with Russia. The winner tore up the agreement to side with the EU and sought disingenuously to seek a middle ground and stay friendly with both, when in reality he wanted to maintain their status as a russian satellite state and would have sought to severe future ties with the EU. but he'd also have to travel a day's drive east from his presidential office to find a region where that was popular, and the euromaiden crowd wasn't going to let him kill the movement.

devolving fault into us lightly pressing the scales is idiotic. the movement already existed, would have succeeded in either a revolution or the next election, and the movement is legitimate. russia really is the bag of dirt we call them, even if we're a bag of rocks.



why? it brings me joy to watch u make a fool of yourself. it's literally a commie quote applied to a baby unsafely strapped into a car seat and you took it to mean support. it's next level comedy for me.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 16 2022 12:23pm