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Oct 23 2022 12:00pm
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There is a margin between blocking a street or throwing soup at a painting and the violent overthrow of a government.


I didn't say that they are the same. Just that they have similarities.
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Oct 23 2022 12:01pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 23 2022 12:48pm)
I am not talking about Jan. 6th specifically. I am talking about revolutions in general. If you condone disruption and violence in political protests, then you have to also condone revolutions if you want to be consistent.

Also, you don't get to decide for other people what is an injustice and what isn't. What if they truly thought there was an injustice?


If an election not going your way is an injustice then you don't believe in democracy and your opinion can be disregarded.

Revolution and protests being justified requires examining the actual situation not just opinions on the situation.
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Oct 23 2022 12:06pm
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If an election not going your way is an injustice then you don't believe in democracy and your opinion can be disregarded.

Revolution and protests being justified requires examining the actual situation not just opinions on the situation.


Whether revolutions are justified is based solely on who won.
His-story says so.
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Oct 23 2022 12:13pm
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If an election not going your way is an injustice then you don't believe in democracy and your opinion can be disregarded.


And maybe they think your opinion can be disregarded if you thought that...

The problem isn't about whether it was an injustice or which side is right. Its about how you unilaterally proclaim people to be wrong and you don't even feel anything wrong with it.

Why do you automatically assume an almost judge-like position? Why do you feel that you get to pass judgment on whether other people believe in democracy and whether they should be disregarded? If I put myself in the saddle and say that your opinion on this matter should be disregarded, for any reason at all, how would you feel? Why do you fail so badly at seeing things from other people's perspective?

And even if it were the case that they did not believe in democracy (which they do, I am just speaking hypothetically), why is this grounds for disregarding someone's opinion? Can you tell me what situations justify disregarding people's opinion?

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Revolution and protests being justified requires examining the actual situation not just opinions on the situation.


I didn't say you shouldn't examine the situation. I am just saying that regardless of the situation behind them, they have similarities in that they both cause disruption and violence. So if you want to be consistent, you have to condone both.

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Oct 23 2022 12:29pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 23 2022 01:13pm)
And maybe they think your opinion can be disregarded if you thought that...

The problem isn't about whether it was an injustice or which side is right. Its about how you unilaterally proclaim people to be wrong and you don't even feel anything wrong with it.

Why do you automatically assume an almost judge-like position? Why do you feel that you get to pass judgment on whether other people believe in democracy and whether they should be disregarded? If I put myself in the saddle and say that your opinion on this matter should be disregarded, for any reason at all, how would you feel? Why do you fail so badly at seeing things from other people's perspective?

And even if it were the case that they did not believe in democracy (which they do, I am just speaking hypothetically), why is this grounds for disregarding someone's opinion? Can you tell me what situations justify disregarding people's opinion?

I didn't say you shouldn't examine the situation. I am just saying that regardless of the situation behind them, they have similarities in that they both cause disruption and violence. So if you want to be consistent, you have to condone both.


What you are arguing now can just be boiled down to "it's all opinion maaaaaan"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth a damn. Most opinions aren't based on reality and are worthless. Arguing anything less is to eliminate truth as a concept
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Oct 23 2022 12:33pm
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What you are arguing now can just be boiled down to "it's all opinion maaaaaan"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean your opinion is worth a damn. Most opinions aren't based on reality and are worthless. Arguing anything less is to eliminate truth as a concept


I am not saying that.

I am asking you why you appear to think you are fit to judge whether other people believe in democracy.
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Oct 23 2022 12:36pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 23 2022 01:33pm)
I am not saying that.

I am asking you why you appear to think you are fit to judge whether other people believe in democracy.


It is definitional. If you don't respect the results you don't believe in the process. This is true for any process including democracy.
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Oct 23 2022 12:37pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 23 2022 11:36am)
It is definitional. If you don't respect the results you don't believe in the process. This is true for any process including democracy.


Show me this definition. Where did you find it, who came up with it, and more importantly, whether it's one-sided.

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Oct 23 2022 12:47pm
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Show me this definition. Where did you find it, who came up with it, and more importantly, whether it's one-sided.


So you agree to a coin flip and when it goes against you you say "that's not fair". Your friend says "then why did you pull out a coin and suggest a coin flip". You say "I actually believe the coin was fair but I didn't like the result"

Lol k

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So you agree to a coin flip and when it goes against you you say "that's not fair". Your friend says "then why did you pull out a coin and suggest a coin flip". You say "I didn't actually believe the coin was fair"

Lol k


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