Fracturing the global resolve against Russian aggression is absolutely something Russia stands to gain.

We can only reasonably assume it's Canada. They have an arsenal of well-trained beavers.

Of course it's impossible to prevent gas pipelines from being torpedoed by a submarine, but that would instantly trigger NATO to declare war. Russia clearly shies away from this scenario, otherwise they'd have nuked Kyiv a long time ago. The real question is if we can protect our pipelines from being blown up without noticing/having direct proof.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 28 2022 11:27am

In two weeks photos will be published showing the pipe blown up from inside. No need for torpedos

The Russians probably never maintained the pipes this year but sent AI controlled robots to plant bombs in the pipe, so they can't sell gas ever again

This post was edited by Impy on Sep 28 2022 11:24am

The Nord Stream pipelines were not transporting any gas anymore to begin with. Nord Stream 2 never went into operation and Nord Stream 1 was shut down by the Russians themselves, using extremely flimsy and transparent excuses. Germany was still willing to receive Russian gas via Nord Stream 1, it was Russia which intentionally closed the gas tap.


As to what Russia/Putin stand to gain by blowing up its own pipeline, I can think of three things:

1.: Threaten Europe with gas shortages this winter. "Okay, it looks as if you might barely get through the this winter without our gas - but that hinges entirely on Norwegian gas flowing through pipelines in the North and the Baltic Seas. Be a real shame if "something" ""happened"" to these pipelines in the deep of winter."
2.: Create uncertainty, drive up gas prices, cause strife and dissent within the Western alliance.
3.: Protect Putin from a coup by internal rivals. Ramping down the war effort partially in return for a partial lifting of the Western sanctions was a potential course of action for Russia, one which would have saved Russia's economy from a ton of further economic damage, but at the expense of Putin losing his face and, realistically, his power. Without the Nord Stream pipelines, the upside of a change in leadership is much smaller.

1 and 2 are already happening, 3 is just more wishcasting about Putin being overthrown. Ain't happening.

This is very obviously directly contrary to Russian interests, because Russia clearly wants to dangle NS2 in front of Europe as Europe undergoes (as it currently is) your 1 and 2 points.

Now, they can't. That's a core Russian plank now destroyed.

By America, obviously. So, so obviously.

Oh noes, its so sad evil US did poor Russia and Putin dirty, they just wanted to sell oil and gas and liberate Ukrane from Nazis thats all and now their dreams are over

Mods should get you for ban evasion, Lvivz. At least this time you didn't make scammer posts with fake amulet screenshots before you start posting in PARD.

LOL a dude who is an obvious multi, calling me a multi. Again I am so sad for Russia their pipes are gone LOL, keep seething Russian shill.

Just to make it clear: A pipeline that Russia can turn on and off whenever it wants is great leverage. One that no one can use is not leverage.

There's no getting around this. Russia doesn't need an excuse to not put gas through the pipe, the chain of custody issue with the Siemens turbine shows that they'll find the flimsiest to go with.

This bombing was done to make it impossible for the EU to waver on sanctions as their homes chill and their industry shutters. America did it.