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Sep 8 2022 01:47pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 8 2022 09:42pm)
me pointing out that your reply was entirely irrelevant and laughably inept is NOT the same as me trying to tell or even force you not to post any more. you're obviously free to publicly display your embarrassing brain farts here as much as you wish. just don't expect not to be ridiculed, that's all...


Talking about users posting brain farts :rolleyes:


Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 8 2022 09:43pm)
I stayed in Melbourne Victoria during my university days, very very nice livable city. I want to go back in the next couple of years.
I hope they get another nice Queen or King after Charles.


Agreed Aus is a damn nice place, I have to say that I met the nicest people out in the countryside. I never stayed in the big cities unless passing through though.
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the queen doesnt control the state through the crown.

there's a reason the brits were allowed to maintain the crown whilst others in europe didn't. your posts make it seem like you dont understand the situation.

im not pro-monarchy, nor do i like the british monarchy at all. my point is simply having it seems to be a net gain for the country, and losing it may be a net loss, if its even possible to get rid of them, which likely it's not. a motion to remove them today would be as likely as a US congressional bill to ban all guns, it wont happen.


wdym? if you actually got rid of them it's be a MASSIVE net gain. the brits don't want that, and that's their decision - but to claim that they are a financial benefit to the country is just absurd...

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Sep 8 2022 01:50pm
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the queen doesnt control the state through the crown.

there's a reason the brits were allowed to maintain the crown whilst others in europe didn't. your posts make it seem like you dont understand the situation.

im not pro-monarchy, nor do i like the british monarchy at all. my point is simply having it seems to be a net gain for the country, and losing it may be a net loss, if its even possible to get rid of them, which likely it's not. a motion to remove them today would be as likely as a US congressional bill to ban all guns, it wont happen.


The question of if it's possible can be answered very easily. The answer is yes. Their right to anything in the country is a fiction. It only exists because the citizens say it does. That's how all property works. The details are irrelevant

You can take it and use the money you save to make investments in tourism. Same as every other monarchy on earth that gets tourism.

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Sep 8 2022 01:51pm
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wdym? if you actually got rid of them it's be a MASSIVE net gain. the brits don't want that, and that's their decision - but to claim that they are a financial benefit to the country is just absurd...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiE2DLqJB8U


as i stated before, the only way to calculate it as a net loss is to make a plan to strip them of nearly all of their lands. in that unrealistic potential plan sure, it can be done and for the good of England.

i'd love to see the crown stripped, jewels seized, lands taken, corgis thrown into a wood chipper, etc. But im speaking in realistic expectations, not pipedream fantasies. give it 20 years, maybe Charles loses all of the luster Liz had and things change in public opinion.

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The question of if it's possible can be answered very easily. The answer is yes. Their right to anything in the country is a fiction. It only exists because the citizens say it does. That's how all property works. The details are irrelevant

You can take it and use the money you save to make investments in tourism. Same as every other monarchy on earth that gets tourism.


here's how i interpret this conversation:

me- well its a net gain for England
you- is it tho
me-yes
you- well they can do something else then
me-sure
you-plus the queen doesnt actually own it
me-she does tho
you-well no one really owns anything
me-ok
you-and she controls the country
me-no she doesnt
you-control isnt even real unless we accept it
me-im lost

it started out as math and ended up in philosophical strawmans, im not pro monarchy and would love to torch them.

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not only is that laughably incorrect on the "facts", you're also forgetting the part where the UK still has an elected government in addition to their royal family. but hey, nice try bothsiding the issue in order to gobble more dead queen boot, lol.


i stated the facts about the """"election"""" of the german president as they are written down

and nobody here talked about the uk parliament? this is relevant how exactly?

but thanks for reminder fenderp, what would we do without you making random shit up

the uk has a parliament.....shocking news, we have just talked about that a millions times here

oh and nice dodge again

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Sep 8 2022 01:59pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 8 2022 02:51pm)
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here's how i interpret this conversation:

me- well its a net gain for England
you- is it tho
me-yes
you- well they can do something else then
me-sure
you-plus the queen doesnt actually own it
me-she does tho
you-well no one really owns anything
me-ok
you-and she controls the country
me-no she doesnt
you-control isnt even real unless we accept it
me-im lost

it started out as math and ended up in philosophical strawmans, im not pro monarchy and would love to torch them.


My position on this is pretty basic. All property is a social contract. The social contract says the monarchs get some property. It can be amended to abolish the monarchs and take their stuff pretty easily. They've gotten a free ride. That ends. They lose their spoils and become normal people.

Then Everything just gets repurposed for tourism.. Any amount that's lost can be pretty easily made up by just investing in tourism the same as literally every other country. You already said that the way the state can come out on top is by taking all the important stuff is the important stuff. Pretty easy
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Sep 8 2022 02:01pm
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My position on this is pretty basic. All property is a social contract. The social contract says the monarchs get some property. It can be amended to abolish the monarchs and take their stuff pretty easily. They've gotten a free ride. That ends. They lose their spoils and become normal people.

Then Everything just gets repurposed for tourism.. Any amount that's lost can be pretty easily made up by just investing in tourism the same as literally every other country. You already said that the way the state can come out on top is by taking all the important stuff is the important stuff. Pretty easy


sure, it CAN be done, in the same way they COULD ban all guns in the US by the simple process of removing 2a, making all gun owners criminals.

possible and easy aren't the same thing. i recognize its possible, i wish it was easy, it isn't. they've done a great job at being beloved. they gave back the people money that was already theirs to thunderous applause.
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Sep 8 2022 02:03pm
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sure, it CAN be done, in the same way they COULD ban all guns in the US by the simple process of removing 2a, making all gun owners criminals.

possible and easy aren't the same thing. i recognize its possible, i wish it was easy, it isn't. they've done a great job at being beloved. they gave back the people money that was already theirs to thunderous applause.


Oh yeah it would take the public will to do so. That will isn't there yet.

So it's not gonna happen.

But it should. Monarchs should be gone from the planet
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Sep 8 2022 02:04pm
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Sep 8 2022 02:12pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 8 2022 10:03pm)
Oh yeah it would take the public will to do so. That will isn't there yet.

So it's not gonna happen.

But it should. Monarchs should be gone from the planet


You're a real sad sore loser but I already knew that.

Show me the post from that quote in your sig, I never said that.
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