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Aug 25 2022 09:52am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 25 2022 10:04am)
Fine, but like the article says, the amount of student loan debt hanging over people's head will be back at the current levels in just 4 years. This does nothing to solve the underlying issues.


capping repayments at 5% income could indeed cause lenders to tighten up. again, minor stuff that wont fix the underlying terrible market situation, but its not just free cash.
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Quote (aota @ Aug 25 2022 11:05am)
I feel bad for the people who are working 40 hours and in college who do not have student loans. Imagine all those hours you slaved at working a fast food/grocery/retail job and you probably weren't even an all "A" student, meanwhile susieq does not work and parties everywhere off her student loans and they are forgiven


Yeah man, because if everyone had this mentality we would never get anywhere.

Typical boomer mentality "if i had it hard, you should too" instead of trying to make the world a better place and improve our current processes for future generations. Just stupidity...
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 25 Aug 2022 09:40)
You might not remember it, but it was very criticial of the Trump tax cut bill back in 2017 when it was passed. I said that cutting the very high American corporate tax rate was the right move, but that cutting it all the way down to 21% was going a bit too far, and more importantly that more of the tax cuts should have gone to the working and middle class than the rich or corporations. I also criticized that the Trump tax cuts would increase the deficit.

I'm not joking when I say that I'm "moderate" on economic issues...


Ur an uneducated pleb bro you know nothing about economics or literally anything about the tax code. No need to write paragraphs fam.
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Aug 25 2022 11:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Aug 2022 10:35)
This is mostly true, but has positive tertiary effects on middle aged working class people. we're at an unprecedented level of 20-30 year olds living at home with parents. many of them doing so because their income doesnt support living on their own or even with room mates. the 5% income cap and relief may result in this decreasing. boomers love nothing more than their 30 year old kid finally moving out for good.

a small cohort may do so, but $10k-$20k max isnt moving the needle for the vast majority.

meanwhile the next generation of student loan takers will need to absorb at least $10k more in loans due to increased tuition prices (lenders wont lose, schools wont, govt wont)
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Aug 25 2022 11:32am
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a small cohort may do so, but $10k-$20k max isnt moving the needle for the vast majority.

meanwhile the next generation of student loan takers will need to absorb at least $10k more in loans due to increased tuition prices (lenders wont lose, schools wont, govt wont)


10-20k relief is the big headline, but the 5% income cap down from 10% is the bigger deal imo.
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Aug 25 2022 11:42am
Because someone who makes 110k a year really needs this relief...
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Aug 25 2022 11:48am
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Because someone who makes 110k a year really needs this relief...


That's what I am a bit confused about. The average income in the USA is what, around 62K ish?

That seems like quite a high cap. I suppose though to get to that earnings level you likely had an entry level job for years and during that time you were probably only making interest only payments if that and got further behind the eight-ball.
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That's what I am a bit confused about. The average income in the USA is what, around 62K ish?

That seems like quite a high cap. I suppose though to get to that earnings level you likely had an entry level job for years and during that time you were probably only making interest only payments if that and got further behind the eight-ball.


its a message play imo.

imagine you set the cap at 75k, then people cry because in NYC there is a struggling mother who makes 76k but has 3k in rent every month and 12 kids to feed and the republicans make her a martyr and have her on Tucker Carlson to highlight how out of touch Biden is.

set it at 125k and no person is going to cry for a single person who gets cut off, sea to shining sea.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 25 2022 01:52pm)
its a message play imo.

imagine you set the cap at 75k, then people cry because in NYC there is a struggling mother who makes 76k but has 3k in rent every month and 12 kids to feed and the republicans make her a martyr and have her on Tucker Carlson to highlight how out of touch Biden is.

set it at 125k and no person is going to cry for a single person who gets cut off, sea to shining sea.


Before y'all start saying 125k is too low, you're forgetting those who are in this country whose parents gave up literally everything to give their child a good start. You'd be surprised how many families, one person is making 125k and they're supporting themselves and their parents. Sometimes their brothers, sisters too etc etc.

Not to mention, if those parents are in a retirement home and that person is paying that too because there's literally no where else for them to go.

That's a very common scenario for immigrants and minorities.


Quote (SBD @ Aug 25 2022 01:48pm)
That's what I am a bit confused about. The average income in the USA is what, around 62K ish?

That seems like quite a high cap. I suppose though to get to that earnings level you likely had an entry level job for years and during that time you were probably only making interest only payments if that and got further behind the eight-ball.


And yes, in all likelihood, that person spent 10+ years making 20k-30k before "making it"

This post was edited by Gala32 on Aug 25 2022 12:14pm
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Quote (Lvivz @ Aug 25 2022 01:42pm)
Because someone who makes 110k a year really needs this relief...


You act like $110K is a lot. Especially in big higher cost of living cities where it's the minimum.
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