well he started sending lethal arms to Ukraine to bolster its defenses against invasion. That was the big step Obama/Biden were unwilling to do, and arguably the casus belli for Putin. As Ted Cruz repeatedly and repeatedly said, Obama send teddy bears, Trump send javelin missiles. When Russia spent weeks mobilizing forces on the border, America could have just moved US forces into place to respond whether in Ukraine or in the sea and stared him down, threatened direct retaliation, make Ukraine a de facto NATO protectee. The kinds of escalations that are dangerous and could have led to direct military confrontation between nuclear powers. There were obvious arguments against it, and good reason to think Biden's passive approach was the best option. The hardline was risky and aggressive. But we're in a worst of both worlds scenario where we're not protecting ukraine but still escalating with russia.

*The government of Ukraine which was installed in a coup d'etat that replaced the democratically elected government of Ukraine, then carried on in illegitimate votes without half the country participating

And its going to fall either way. We could have at least evacuated the government to Lviv and set up a half a country as Russia annexes even more of it, but Zelenksy is riding Kiev to his death. We already surrendered Ukraine to Russia when Biden announced he would not intervene to stop an invasion. Their government is already doomed. Those are givens. You're acting like there's anything left to surrender. Russia has Kiev encircled by artillery and the only question right now is how much death and destruction has to occur before Russia takes full control. Biden is willing to scuttle the American economy (again) and ask us to tighten our belts in the name of standing with Ukraine, and you're unwilling to help pay some reconstruction costs after a war? Well I guess if you're going to channel Brussels and the IMF and only make 'loans' in exchange for long-term internal political control of sovereign countries, then Russia wouldn't allow that anyway. If the west was willing to make one-way donations to rebuild Ukraine without anything in return, we might actually be the humanitarians we pretend to be

*Russian companies in Canada* like Uranium One.

Wow this incredible bad faith, did you know what was the stance of his political opponent ?

Petro Poroshenko prohibits any military cooperation with Russia and opposes any restoration of diplomatic ties with Russia without return from Crimea to the Giron of Ukraine
Petro Poroshenko lost next elections vs Zelinsky by 24.5% vs 73.2%

They were both against Russia lol, btw this is Petro Poroshenko back in Ukraine to fight the bitches:

Good read on what will most likely come as a result. Globalism ded.


https://doubleline.com/wp-content/uploads/G-7-Sanctions-Accelerate-China-Russia-Axis_Bill-Campbell-3-8-22.pdf

Lets say Donald Trump supporters took control of the Capitol building and overthrew Joe Biden, forcing him into exile and installing Trump as president in an insurrection. No election necessary, just seize power by a coup. California and New York then responded by seceding from the union after holding referendums where 97% of the residents supported secession. Trump supporters then declared that the referendums were illegitimate and the coasts still belong to the Trump regime. And then in the next ""election"", Trump wins by a landslide as all the liberals are no longer voting. Does that sound like a good faith democracy? Going to point to Trump's whopping victory numbers in an election without half the country?

This "scenario" has nothing to do with the Russian invasion. Also completely irrealistic.

I asked you what you think is the better solution and you already answered: what you want is to help Russia to take over Ukraine and to pay yourself the rebuild.
Which is basically offering money to get fu'd.

Its not like I expected you to comprehend it when I was writing it anyway.

This invasion and then resistance, may end up in the collapse of "Russian federation", which could end up joining EU.
This is another scenario but i think it's much more realistic than your(s) since it would follow history with first phase being the collapse of USSR.

so correct me if i'm wrong but the tough line would then have been to mobilize troops into and heavily arm Ukraine against an invasion as Putin rallied troops on the entire border to ready an invasion. essentially crating a defacto nato member that we're required to defend should Russia invade, or in the best case Putin then bolsters his entire border with basically every other nation to the east, but we're also risking all out war.