Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 09:55pm)

I do have plenty of information on that program, as it's the same program my company uses as well and it partners with the same school I graduated from.

However, based on the lack of appreciation for the free money offered above, but rather simply a response of "why not more", it's very clear we aren't going to find common ground.

Unfortunately, Biden agrees, too, as student loan debt that one chose to assume is not being written off whether it was promised on the campaign trail as well.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 27 2022 01:00am)

I get the sense that you have a propensity to attribute intentions/meaning to other peoples' posts rather than having a genuine inquiry.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 10:04pm)

Well, to be fair, I can't say I understand that. I wouldn't know anyone's intentions that I do not know personally.

I simply speak from a very specific and currently unwavering point of view based on my own trials and tribulations that I have overcome in life.

My inquiries are genuine, but, just because I won't accept a shaky argument as fact doesn't mean I don't have genuine inquiries. It's OK to ask the hard questions sometimes :)

Lastly, I meant to edit my original post above, so I will copy/paste and bolden the edits I made for your ease of reference in fairness:
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I do have plenty of information on that program, as it's the same program my company uses as well and it partners with the same school I graduated from.

However, based on the lack of appreciation for the free money offered above, but rather simply a response of "why not more", it's very clear we aren't going to find common ground.

Unfortunately, Biden agrees, too, as student loan debt that one chose to assume for a degree path that has no real-world value is not being written off whether it was promised on the campaign trail as well.

My company wasn't going to reimburse a "humanities" or "gender studies" degree path either. It was not available and rightfully so -- one is only left with crippling debt and no job prospects as a result.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 27 2022 01:10am)

My previous post was getting at the fact that my point was never going to be a complaint that McDonald's program "isn't enough" or a simple "Why not more?", yet you made the conclusion that that was my point and further concluded by implication that there was no more discussion to be had as a result. Very intriguing.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 09:58pm)

Well, no. The unlimited capitalist economic ceiling is what recognized my developed skills and got me out of poverty.

The work part was my responsibility and sure, I did it. What's wrong with hard work and ambition?

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 10:17pm)

"Also, perhaps you have more information about the McDonald's program since you keep referencing it, but as far as I can find in a cursory search it seems that McDonald's has a tuition assistance program to eligible employees that amounts to $2,500/year: https://www.archwaystoopportunity.com/tuition_assistance.html";;

It was, though, as you wouldn't have referenced the dollar amount and posted a link otherwise.

The aim you were taking is that $2,500 a year is minuscule in terms of college costs, and when it comes to the far-leftist institutions you're thinking of, you're absolutely correct. They take hundreds of thousands of dollars from young, unknowing kids for degree paths that will never serve them in life.

As a result, I must request -- please be factual and straight-up with me if we are to continue to debate -- this last response wouldn't qualify in my opinion.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Jan 27 2022 01:20am)

Wait what? Like the sky opened and some golden god said “here is your labor assignment good and faithful servant” or like what?

Quote (inkanddagger @ Jan 27 2022 01:24am)

Wait, so like you you sold your labor?

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 27 2022 01:20am)

You seem hostile for reasons unknown to me. I'm unsure why it's difficult to accept that I genuinely acknowledged that you may have more information on McDonald's program than I do since you referenced it a number of times before--and I even clearly stated that my search was "cursory".

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 10:23pm)

Well, when I chose to apply for the job, I wasn't forced. I don't think the term assignment would apply here.



Defending one's stance (no matter how vehemently) isn't a sign of hostility -- neither is reading between the lines of one's response. It's the framework of debate, actually.

I don't know you and have nothing against you. Disagreeing views <> hostility or hate, my friend. They are simply disagreeing views :)

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jan 26 2022 10:23pm)

Defending one's stance (no matter how vehemently) isn't a sign of hostility -- neither is reading between the lines of one's response. It's the framework of debate, actually.

I don't know you and have nothing against you. Disagreeing views <> hostility or hate, my friend. They are simply disagreeing views :)

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 27 2022 01:26am)

But you're not disagreeing with my view so much as you are disagreeing with a permutation of my view that you've created yourself.