I could not find the link for my first claim, it was from another forum but I don't remember the thread. I remember reading it though.

My second claim I can't even remember where I saw it from, but I also remember reading it.

Anyway, I can see why you would ask for sources, I mean we should base our decisions on evidence and I get that. But you need to keep in mind that this thread of mine is 90% political, only 10% medical. It's like I said earlier, it's not about whether the vaccines are truly bad for us. It's about not trusting our governments blindly.

And let me be very plain with you: even if all the major news media outlets and government-run agencies like CDC all say that the vaccines are safe, I still will not take them. I do not have any faith in any of these afore-mentioned entities whatsoever. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want.

My response was within the context of what a gov't considers is in its best interest from your earlier quote:



I don't disagree with your stance on "strangers caring about you personally".

But all things aside, taken purely through the lens of what is in the best interest of the government and what its incentives are, you're more valuable to the gov't alive than you are dead. If, for the future of the country, the health risks of the vaccine outweighed the risk of COVID, it wouldn't get emergency approval and they would not promote said vaccine, as it isn't the best interest for the country. Why are countries like India begging for more vaccines?

If the vaccine truly contained a high risk of say, making the population infertile, that would jeopardize the future of said country, which does not operate in the best interest of the gov't.

But let the turntables, and get your 2 cents - what reasons do you believe the government wants you to be vaccinated?

This post was edited by penguinhero on Sep 5 2021 03:22pm

I genuinely appreciate you being candid regarding your sources and lack thereof. I don't recall seeing you around PaRD before, so perhaps you're new around here. I think you'll find that among many users here there is an expectation that 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' and that users making claims are expected to cite their sources--as is the standard in quality political and religious domains.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Sep 5 2021 03:24pm

Alright, get ready for a heavy dose of my tinfoil hat, since you asked:

I think the governments of the Western world want their populations to be vaccinated because these vaccines most likely will cause infertility. And please don't ask me for sources, this thread is about politics, not science.

When you go to other, non-western countries, the situation is quite different.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 5 2021 03:31pm

Thanks for the kind words sir.

And yes, I agree. However, my aim is not to convince people that vaccines will cause this or that. My aim is to tell them not to trust their government blindly.

Its like I said, this thread is 90% political and only 10% science.

Don't you think you'd be more effective in your aim if you had supporting evidence rather than conjecture?

I would only need evidence for scientific claims. But my thread is not about convincing people that vaccines are bad. It's about convincing people not to trust their governments blindly.

But aren't you trusting these webforums that you originally got your sources from 'blindly'?

Why do you think they want this? How does the gov't benefit from its population being infertile?

I trust them, but not "blindly".

When the governments start to act in a way that shows they care about the populaces, that's when I will stop saying, "don't trust your governments blindly".