How about your brain damage?

Thats what high levels of CO2 cause im children. I cant wait for the class action lawsuits.

Oh man, yeah. A single piece of cloth on your face is definitely going to cause brain damage levels of CO2. You've cracked it. You're a god damn genius.

Children can't even catch COVID. They have no ACE 2 receptors. Even if only 5 died or got a health complication from the masks in the whole year, you should all pay for your treachery.

what study shows the effectiveness of a "single piece of cloth on your face" in preventing covid?
i want to see the paper and cloth mask studies that help prove them to be effective enough to follow guidelines.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

There you go. Plenty of studies using many different methods of study, including population studies based on mask adherance all the way down to mask wearing examining droplet filtration by cloth masks.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science-of-masking-full.pdf

They even have a nice PDF document on the bottom with pretty pictures and references that describes the methodology.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Aug 30 2021 08:06pm

regarding the organ failure bits, i made a mistake there, it's specifically around hospitalization cases, can't find all the articles i read several months ago but these ones pop up on a current search and were the kind of articles that drove me to get the vaccine asap cuz i don't think i'd survive getting the virus (i get sick a lot).

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/severe-covid-19-can-lead-to-kidney-failure-medical-studies-reveal.html
https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-kidneys-damage-coronavirus#1
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

that aside i'm not going to go down the pfizer/moderna/fda rabbit hole. i'm aware of the blood clotting side of effects from one of the earlier vaccines and thanks to your link i'm now aware of the heart inflammation one. i was already aware of the indemnifications in place for the vaccine manufacturers. i'm also not well versed enough on the scientific/medical literature to have a debate on the vaccines, i simply trust the medical community on this. it sounds like you don't and that's fine, there are many others who don't and have cited many reasons for not getting vaccinated which probably include the reasons you're citing as well. the point of this thread is to raise awareness of the people who deny or down play the impact of the virus and are skeptical about the vaccines only to regret it all in the end.

this'll keep me busy a while, must admit.

i had to rewrite this comment. we'll get nowhere in actual discussion if i didn't.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32512240/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
the above are some studies that show cloth masks being useless, if not more harmful, in a setting with aerosolisation.
hospitals make great cases for studies as guidelines are "actually followed"... and it is a constant exposure. cuts out the need to assume a lot of details that you need to do in a lot of community research.

across time, this has seemingly been true. cloth masks do not work in virus-aerosolized settings.
there is evidence that cloth masks can protect from "some" amount of droplet. which is fine.... it wouldn't be a bad idea to wear a mask if you were sick and coughing uncontrollably.
but.... if we aren't showing symptoms, we could make it common practice to "cover your mouth when you cough". since the mask won't help with the microscopic aerosolic particles anyway... maybe that's all that's really needed.

there is general evidence "with a lot of assumptions made", that community mask wearing is beneficial.
a lot of this is somewhat recent data, but even in the first few studies i looked at in your link....
1. most of the data came from China. i'm sorry, but no... literally anywhere but from China. we have received much false data from that country, we don't need to assume anything else based on their "data". (that's just me obviously)
2. lack of detailed method and results to the studies used in the studies.
3. lack of human participants. (again this is only the first few studies in your link so far and this specifically is only to 1 of those. so far)
4. Fauci
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-said-masks-not-really-effective-in-keeping-out-virus-email-reveals/ar-AAKCZ0c



assumptions for community masking studies have not been very controlled from what i've read. and/or they coincide with other major factors such as season or lockdowns without reference of them. i am however interested in a couple of these studies you linked, and i'm reading them even now.
what Fauci wrote to someone privately makes a lot more sense than what he babbles publicly.

since this is the vaccine thread i'll again point out how redundant masks sound in general, when everyone who is pro-masking is also pro-vaccine without questions.
does the vaccine work or not? seriously, why should i put on a mask if everyone who wishes to be covered under vaccination is vaccinated. i could get people who also don't want to be forced into these standards sick?
that question is also redundant as i don't have high faith in masks actually working in the way they are being advertised. i'll keep reading though, cya tomorrow

I find it hilarious that conservatives will make this kind of argument. It's akin to saying "why do you own a gun? Don't your doors have locks?"

Protection needs to be multi-layered. No method is perfect so you stack them. This is only not obvious if you have an ideological opposition to the subject. Those who don't can see this kind of argument is trash and reject it after two seconds of thought.

If you want real-world examples of masks working, there was a case study in there about two hairdressers that were positive and none of the customers they interacted with the previous few days tested postive after, compared to other case studies of hair dressers who didn't mask, back in Springfield where I went to college no less, not wearing masks and spreading it to literally hundreds of people.

All of the real world data, from case studies to community wide studies and even direct measurement of particulate passing through masks, conclude masks are effective at preventing spread.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Aug 30 2021 10:34pm

the overall point of your thread is admirable taking it as spoken. however, you are seeming to keep it going with a lot of case-by-case scenario and fear-mongering. twitter helps no one.
for every case that someone had an issue in the "non-high-risk" bracket... there's 99 ppl in the same boat (very very conservative number) that won't have an issue.

the people that "most commonly" have major issues, are old and/or in the "high-risk" bracket due to other health complications.

the FDA has taken away the discussion to have this vaccine approved. as quoted and bolded in my prior post about this.
they are not having a committee because they deem there to be no issues or concerns.
...as they also admit risk on a currently unknown level to health issues from the vaccine (to people who aren't even at high risk of major complications from disease)
...and they also admit that their system is unable to even asses the risks according to their own guidelines.


and i love how something 0.1% helpful could be touted as a cure-all for the population because you can't even trust the vaccine you are also forcing people to take.

This post was edited by tagged4nothing on Aug 30 2021 10:35pm