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Members of Congress are Public Servants, and are answerable to the public for all their words and actions while in office. If members of Congress are leaking information to the public that is confidential, classified, or FALSE, then the evidence needs to be gathered and violators prosecuted.

Attempts to compare sitting members of Congress who're suspected of leaking false, confidential, or classified information to the media to FISA warrants against private citizens (which is what Trump was during the 2016 campaign) is pretty stupid. If the DOJ under Trump suspected sitting members of Congress of illegal activity, it was well within their right to investigate. The question that needs to be addressed: Were confidential details of the investigation then shared with the public? At this point, the answer appears to be no, therefore the DOJ was working well within it's authority.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 12 2021 01:43pm

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you raise a good point,. i do agree, private citizens should not be targeted in such way - particularly their private communications.

however, DOJ concluded under jeff sessions that they were not leaking and were winding down their investigation.

bill barr, likely under the direction of trump, re-opened it for purely political reasons.

to completely discredit those timeline of events is disingenuous.

There were a large number of leaks, therefore a large number of potential reasons to reopen the investigation. The real question is whether confidential details of the investigation were leaked to the public, or unrelated findings were used to legally attack those under investigation. In both cases, based on the information we have today, the answer is no.

At this point, you're impugning motives to attempt to create a narrative where there's a victim. There's no victim. No actions were taken against the aforementioned members of Congress. Investigations into members of Congress, the Executive Branch, and even the Judiciary occur on a daily basis, at the Federal, State, and Local levels. This is nothing unusual. And once again, these are public servants who are answerable to the public for every act and word. Due almost entirely to the fact that they know classified information that would harm the public if it were to get out, the only people qualified to investigate them is the DOJ.

I'm glad that we can agree that comparing this to the 2016 investigation against Trump is nonsense though. And as far as "spying on citizens" this does not meet the necessary requirement, to me. To be a public servant means you must be held accountable for your actions. If you're above investigation, how can you be held to account?

being this stupid should be illegal

Many things are becoming valid when the weak is openly accepting autocracy over democracy.

This is a nonsensical post. Investigations into public servants over potential illegal activity IS democracy. If elected officials can violate the law at will, there is no democracy. The DOJ serves as the primary body that holds elected officials to account so they do NOT become autocrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes provides a very good TL:DR of why we rather like having the DOJ investigate suspected criminal activity inside the government.

The point, yet again, is that an investigation harms noone. The only thing that would harm anyone is if confidential details of the investigation were leaked to the public, OR if unrelated information gathered during the investigation were used to legally attack those under investigation. Given neither appears to be the case, there's no victim, there's no "bombshell", just more handwringing nonsense by progressives who can't get over the fact that Biden won. Trump's gone. He's off social media, he's "cancelled" and no longer relevant in any way. Biden won. Biden is President. Get over the TDS, and look to today.

Ofc Biden won, ofc your DOJ can still investigate, but NOT here, red line crossed. Still worth to be mentioned, we had the problem in France 2 times in last decades: they got jailed.

Trump administration spied on top Democrats and their children
Trump DOJ spied on Democrats in Russia leaks probe

Next step is to accept false trials and then death sentences or jailing for "treason" ? Where is the limit ? Why people should not talk about this ?