How exactly is the country stronger if we're more divided? How are we stronger when so many people believe flat out lies? There was corruption out in the open and millions of people (including elected officials) simply didn't care. It's pretty clear to me that corruption pays off since there are virtually no consequences. How is that strength?


That is incorrect. As outlined in the report, several organizations were present and active in the dispersal of protestors and USPP was one of many. I believe the report says that this was a joint operation with Secret Service. Frankly, there really isn't much in this report because it was so narrow in scope. Why was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs there and why did he say he shouldn't have been there within 24 hours?

I'm not seeking to prove anything other than that we don't have all the facts and we need to wait until ALL organizations complete a thorough review of what happened.

The order to clear the park came from the USPP. The relevant actions came from the USPP. But let's go a bit further, shall we?

If there were... Proud Boy riots with violent rioters in Lafayette Square, part of President's Park, a spitting distance from the White House, would you be concerned? Would you, as the park service, seek to clear it out? Would you, as secret service and such, seek to make a human barrier between what is unacceptable and the President?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 12 2021 09:28pm

No, I would not. The White House is a secure location and if anyone tried to storm it, they would be eviscerated.

You. Are a liar.

Edit: Before you respond, go check your responses in the "Trumpers Tearing Down DC" thread. You. Are. A. Liar.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 12 2021 10:29pm

Thundercock is about as centrist as it gets

Why should it concern me? Do you think that the President is in any harm if they are at the White House?

Do you think Congress is in any harm if they're at the Capitol Building?

I think being more self-conscious makes a nation stronger. As does being less prone to manipulation by institutions which are supposed to be neutral but developed a partisan and class bias over time.
This kind of (figurative) corruption of institutions is fundamentally different from (literal) corruption by individuals. When an elected official is too corrupt, he can quickly be removed within a couple of years. See Trump, who was inept and led a corrupt administration and consequently got the boot by the voters.

However, when the press, the judiciary, think tanks, the federal bureaucracy or academia start indoctrinating and manipulating the people to serve goals which are not in the best interest of the country, then that's a lot harder to stop and can have much more catastrophic long-term consequences than just one bad president.

To put it bluntly: America's institutions were no longer derserving of the level of trust that most people put into them. Now, they're in a position where they have to earn back this trust, and that's a good thing. Trump forced America to take a long and honest look in the mirror. Most people didn't like what they saw - good! That's the indispensable first step to fixing these issues and shortcomings.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 12 2021 10:36pm

In summation: We were fucked when the draft dodgers took control of education.

Am I missing something, or are we square?

Absolutely. It's a much less secure building. They don't have hundreds of personnel armed with automatic weapons. They don't have dogs that are ready to rip the throats out of people. They don't have snipers on the building.