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May 8 2021 09:25pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 8 2021 07:28pm)
That’s part of it and then there’s middle man that are selling from certified vendors on Amazon, on various websites. Are the Amazon sellers that probably bought huge supplies also just some kids on discord servers or?

So examples?


They aren't billion dollar operations. Although scalpers likely are buying hundreds or thousands at once. That doesn't really matter because there are thousands of scalpers all competing with each other in a... What's the word? Oh yeah, a market.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 9 2021 03:25pm)
They aren't billion dollar operations. Although scalpers likely are buying hundreds or thousands at once. That doesn't really matter because there are thousands of scalpers all competing with each other in a... What's the word? Oh yeah, a market.


scalpers have existed since the cavemen era. Me get rock from dumb dumb sell rock to desperate dumb dumb. The river is abundant with rocks but dumb dumb want pretty rock now.

Besides there is anti scalping measures being implemented all over
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/amd-sends-anti-scalping-measures-to-retailers-ahead-of-new-cpu-and-gpu-launches/#:~:text=Other%20anti-scalping%20measures%20include,product%20be%20in%20the%20cart.

This morning we saw unprecedented demand for the GeForce RTX 3080 at global retailers, including the NVIDIA online store. At 6 a.m. pacific we attempted to push the NVIDIA store live. Despite preparation, the NVIDIA store was inundated with traffic and encountered an error. We were able to resolve the issues and sales began registering normally.

To stop bots and scalpers on the NVIDIA store, we’re doing everything humanly possible, including manually reviewing orders, to get these cards in the hands of legitimate customers.

Over 50 major global retailers had inventory at 6 a.m. pacific. Our NVIDIA team and partners are shipping more RTX 3080 cards every day to retailers.

We apologize to our customers for this morning’s experience.”

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Nah, it's making me $10 a day or more depending on where hte price of Eth goes.


is $10 net? like minus the electric bills and shit?
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Quote (gaibobie @ May 9 2021 03:33pm)
is $10 net? like minus the electric bills and shit?


About. Electricity is 75c a day
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May 9 2021 06:39pm
People were scalping vaccine appointments lol
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People were scalping vaccine appointments lol



lmao forreals?
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Monopolizing a supply of a certain commodity from primary suppliers only to immediately flip it for massive and immediate profits is not natural.

Give me some examples if this is textbook behavior I’m curious to hear.


that's literally how almost all produce is sold, tho. farmers sell it, and the large box chain grocery stores are the only ones able to put up capital in amounts large enough to sway farmers to sell at scale, grow at scale, etc. then it gets transported, and there is some loss, and the product sells for a solid margin over the buy+shipping+loss total.

the farmers market has product generally at half the price of most grocery stores for 2x the quality. demand for GPUs has just never risen to food levels before, its getting there.
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that's literally how almost all produce is sold, tho. farmers sell it, and the large box chain grocery stores are the only ones able to put up capital in amounts large enough to sway farmers to sell at scale, grow at scale, etc. then it gets transported, and there is some loss, and the product sells for a solid margin over the buy+shipping+loss total.

the farmers market has product generally at half the price of most grocery stores for 2x the quality. demand for GPUs has just never risen to food levels before, its getting there.


In this example, there's some value odd though. Like half the battle with produce is getting it from the hands of the farmers to the store where people buy it. There's a lot that happens in between that warrants a 2x or whatever price increase.

Here the value add is non-existent. It's entirely parasitic. Nvidia sells the cards on their website. Some lucky consumers get theirs, many don't because you have middle man companies basically cleaning them out only to resell at a 2x+ markup.

Like i wouldn't have much of an issue if these companies were buying them because they needed them for their business operations or whatever but that's not what it is about. It's entirely about turning around and immediately flipping them.

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In this example, there's some value odd though. Like half the battle with produce is getting it from the hands of the farmers to the store where people buy it. There's a lot that happens in between that warrants a 2x or whatever price increase.

Here the value add is non-existent. It's entirely parasitic. Nvidia sells the cards on their website. Some lucky consumers get theirs, many don't because you have middle man companies basically cleaning them out only to resell at a 2x+ markup.

Like i wouldn't have much of an issue if these companies were buying them because they needed them for their business operations or whatever but that's not what it is about. It's entirely about turning around and immediately flipping them.


most of the "value add" in both cases is automated. once picked and sold to a distributor vegetables are sorted, sprayed with preservatives, irradiated if crossing the border, boxed, overwrapped, palleted all without a person touching them. at least on the large scale. the human value added is a fork lift driver on both ends.

the value added for the grocery store, and the part of the profit that specific store profits from, is unboxing, sorting, and setting out the produce. but for the distributer their role is to have money, and an automated sorting system able to handle bulk at scale, then drivers.

i agree that produce vendors add more value, but that's still offset somewhat by the common automated process and shipping and handling being a constant in both examples. the core tenant rings true, in a free market system secondary vendors arise when demand allows for a secondary market. period, this is the free market system. whether its diamond companies creating false scarcity and running billion dollar ad campaigns to maintain that demand level or the rising demand for computer parts outstripping the ability for them to be manufactured.

in any case it seems temporary, i highly doubt NVIDIA or whomever leaves this much profit on the table for long. they'll streamline, they'll increase prices, and they'll squash some portion of the market and make their parts more readily available. to the chagrin of miners and scalpers alike.
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Jul 9 2021 12:26pm
Just bought a second 3090.

Gonna mine on it and if coins go down I'll sell it on ebay to a gamer.

Get on my level scrubs.
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