(i honestly don't see germans do that, they are mostly indifferent or relieved about the selfish cherry pickers, constantly demanding special treatment, being gone)

Hypocrisy at its finest dude, well done.
You seem to have issue with differing opinions. Calling it lying?
Diversity is based on respecting other views is that not a pillar of what the EU is built on?

Well to address your point, if It can even be described as a point.
Covid and the vaccine rollout was the first real test of post Brexit UK and EU. So far UK have given first doses to 30% of total population.

How is Germany or France doing with that? Do You know?

Do you think the citizens have been let down by ministers who told them Astrazeneca was unsafe for over 65's?
And now backtracking on that entirely.

To a quote a popular german newspaper
"Liebe Britain, we benieden you"

The questions remain, was it justified to stop vaccines leaving the EU block?

Has the EU prepared itself sufficiently to rollout the vaccine?

Have they let down their citizens by negotiating badly with pharmaceutical companies?

Did they try to discredit the AZ vaccine for reasons other than health concerns?

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https://www.deblauwetijger.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert-vanden-Bossche-2.pdf
lead scientist disagree with paid off scientist FDA, no peer reviewed FDA approval fo current vax,not tested for mutagenic,cancer causing,fertility effects. Distributors are "Viagra", and JJ "talcum" powder (cancer causing) companies

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The US has been doing just that since the first vaccines were approved. Biden has so far not reversed this decision by the Trump admin, nor has he shown any indication of even thinking about ending the US export stop.

The Germans were praising our initial vaccine rollout, they weren't praising our general response to the pandemic that has resulted in one of the highest death rates in the world and one of the most significant contractions in GDP

The vaccine rollout is a small win for the UK but the big picture is not good. The claims of jingoism and flag-waiving are more reflective of a level of resentment towards the British for leaving the EU amongst our pro-EU contingent than genuine views of British people

Not sure what point your making tbh

Ye its not surprising that nations will do this. Its interesting as it clearly shows how people will behave when their backs are against the wall. There is no global cooperation when the shit hits the fan.

The expanded point is the hypocrisy in claiming a vaccine is unsafe and then blocking those vaccines leaving your neighborhoud. Particularly when the rollout effort has only reached <5% of the population

bs. i didn't call your "different opinions" lying (typical liar's excuse in my experience), i called your deliberate misrepresentation of demonstrable facts lying: claiming EU officials stopped the shipment was a lie, as i have demonstrated previously. claiming that i suggested ALL brits were ignorant, although i specifically highlighted that i was just talking about SOME brits, was also a lie - a blatant one that is easily refuted by just reading our previous posts - and yet you still doubled down on it, which is absurd.

almost as absurd as your previous bitching about our "aim" not being to compare stats, but then repeatedly doing exactly that when you think it makes the UK look favourable by comparison.
not that there was any doubt left, but arbitrarily declaring the ONE thing the UK did better regarding covid, after severely messing up in all aspects previously, as THE determining factor of who is better off post brexit is, both in its framing as well as in its choice, the definitive proof of who really has a chip on their shoulder here, who is butthurt and desperate to delude themselves. not that the creation of this thread, despite the countless vaccine / covid / EU threads in existence, and its dishonest framing of the specific case wasn't already a dead giveaway...

i have stated my personal criticisms of the EU vaccine rollout in at least two posts now, and haven't changed my mind or walked back any of them, why would i? just because i reject your disingenuous exaggerations and outright lies, quite obviously motivated by post brexit soreness and irrational hatred towards the EU, doesn't mean i reject the rational and valid criticism that it deserves. you need to learn to distinguish between those two, and not constantly let your feelings get the better of your arguments.

Agreed that the initial response shows how ineffective our supposed big government is.
Did we get our moneys worth for the taxes we all pay Westminster?
Do we ever?

Do nurses not deserve more than a 1% payrise? Disgraceful really

Talking about framing is rich whilst framing a position on vaccines, around brexit.

The question is whether blocking shipments was a correct decision.

In my opinion it's the right decision for EU citizens, IF the bloc has a plan for rolling out vaccines. Which so far, it does not appear so.

I also think it shows a real lack of integrity to claim a vaccine is unsafe in the first place.

Furthermore threatening the agreements on the Irish border, which was a pillar of the deal of the UK leaving the bloc behind.
In an attempt to meet vaccination targets.

Reactive measures to a situation created by poor negotiation in the first place.