The racially homogeneous white countries in Eastern Europe are not doing too hot. (Except for Belarus of course, who are having one of the lowest covid rates in the western world because they fight covid with mighty Russian vodka.)



Low levels of trust/social capital, a lack of solidarity between different segments of the population and a weak social security net are all disadvantages when it comes to fighting covid. Diversity is clearly associated with all three of those things, but I dont think the correlation is super high either. It is a factor for covid performance, but not among the most salient ones.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 4 2021 01:46pm

When you claimed that Donald Trump killed / was responsible for 200k+ deaths, you were obviously being hyperbolic. You expect to be understood and yet demand an extreme level of specificity in others.

I don't think saying Trump's actions made the pandemic worse and resulted in at least 200k more deaths than were needed is or was intended to be hyperbolic in the slightest. It's likely an underestimation.

Given that Trump had a much greater impact on Covid than Cuomo, Trump's failures were far simpler to avoid than Cuomo's, and Trump's failures were much more widespread than Cuomo, why are you giving so much more attention to Cuomo's failures? Cuomo had to navigate red tape and place thousands of patients. Trump had to put on a mask and not actively contradict his scientific experts. That you are so much more vocal about Cuomo than Trump shows you are using this as a partisan attack, not making a good faith criticism of how Covid was handled. You're doing exactly what Cam did for a decade while I called him out on it. Trying to claim neutrality while conveniently only criticizing one side.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 4 2021 10:16pm

Masking rates are the same under Biden as it was under Trump. You're uninformed and blatantly wrong per the usual.

I have made more posts about Trump's coronavirus response than Cuomo's. Not surprising, Cuomo doesn't impact me at all.

But the calculation for and against lockdowns is exceedingly complex. Trump's impact on mask wearing rates, asinine though his views might have been, are completely uncertain. Members of my family were pro-lockdown and pro-masks in some part because Trump opposed them.

Cuomo sending ten thousand elderly to almost certain death is comparatively simple. If he had an exceedingly good reason, he should prove it with evidence. You do not get a presumption of innocence when you kill that many people.

You are giving Trump the benefit of the doubt because "well, some libs might be for it because he's against it" while ignoring the overwhelming evidence showing his supporters strongly follow his lead, including his contradiction of medical authority, and making an opposite assumption of Cuomo.

In Cuomo's case, the first viable alternative anybody has shown me was only available a week after the order was in effect, and the order was only in effect after it was a serious problem. In other words, nursing homes were already screwed since a week with Covid patients early in the pandemic means your nursing home is infected.

In Trump's case, one group strongly follows his lead and the other somewhat goes against him but overwhelmingly trusts the medical authorities by comparison.

This isn't a hard calculation about who has more responsibility and who made easier to avoid mistakes, and the fact that you're making hyperbolic claims on Cuomo and saying it's a simple problem, but never made the same kind of criticisms of Trump, shows this is a partisan attack.


and it's also worth pointing out that this is a pattern. Nobody is calling you a partisan hack because of this one issue. Pretty much everybody has been pointing it out for years now lol

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 4 2021 10:53pm

I think your discussion is touching on a really interesting question: if Trump had come out as pro-mask and pro-lockdown, would the mainstream media with its undeniable liberal bias and the campaign season already in full swing have praised him for it, or at least acknowledged it? Would they really have gone "Yup, the president's doing the right thing on this issue, which is the most important issue of the moment. The orange man is apparently not quite as bad and incompetent as we purported for the past 4 years." The media dropping their #resistance stance would presumably handed him reelection on a silver platter.


Or would they have thrown an immature, contrarian fit and gone covid denier just to spite Trump? Would they have, alternatively, moved to really extreme hardline positions on covid (mask mandate even for people who are alone in their car, Wuhan-style lockdowns) so that they can keep drawing a contrast to Trump and keep claiming that he "isnt doing enough to stop the spread"?

false dilemma, dishonest framing. obviously, one can agree with a particular decision (as they did when trump bombed syria) without taking back all the JUSTIFIED criticism of his previous decisions, stop creating such bizarre dichotomies.

suggesting that mainstream media (except the largest outlet of them all, something you conveniently 'forget' all the time when talking shit about msm) would still have criticised him does in NO way justify his politicising of the pandemic, and his anti-scientific approach.
his choice wasn't between 'making a reasonable decision, hoping to get credit from CNN - or do something that will kill tens of thousands of innocent people because CNN won't give me credit anyway', the choice was between 'listening to the experts and do the best you can to lead your country through a pandemic - or do what you think benefits you personally and politically, even if it means sacrificing countless lives' - and trump's choice was as clear and cynical and predictably devastating as it gets - not that a bootlicker like YOU would ever acknowledge that...

This post was edited by fender on Mar 5 2021 04:03am

President Trump has nothing to do with this specific topic (killer sex addict Cuomo sending grandma and grandpa to die). The usual suspects here are more pathetic than neocons dragging President Obama into every subject

and as for your assertion it would just be a reversal of what we saw. Trump being pro-masks from the get-go and selling masks on his campaign site would have led to all his supporters wearing them to own the libs and calling non-mask wearers commies. And the lefties would be calling him a dictator for violating a “person’s right to choose”

This post was edited by excellence on Mar 5 2021 09:38am

Trump going with the medical experts isn't him doing a good job. It's merely meeting the minimum expectation. It's like, if I show up and sit at my desk for 8 hours. I'm not going to win any awards, probably not even going to pass my first performance review, but at least I didn't make things worse. That's Trump wearing a mask and not actively contradicting his experts.

In actuality, Trump came, flirted with the secretary, made a nuisance of himself, messed up everybody else's work, and then left at noon.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 5 2021 11:23am