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Jan 7 2021 12:46am
Quote (Tyrantus @ Jan 7 2021 01:40am)
It's amazing that you live in such fear of a nonexistent Socialist boogeyman. You're a lot like excellence and EndlessSky; scared manchildren who spew stupidity-shaped-bile all over the place.


It is simply a matter of fact that the French economy is crap. The Economist, well respected in it's own right, has done an excellent job covering their inadequacies.

It is also a matter of fact that France is objectively (according to the HDI) a worse place to live than the United States. This ignoring that the United States is a continent unto itself, and has states within it that would be better compared to states in Southeastern Europe.
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Jan 7 2021 12:47am
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It is simply a matter of fact that the French economy is crap. The Economist, well respected in it's own right, has done an excellent job covering their inadequacies.

It is also a matter of fact that France is objectively (according to the HDI) a worse place to live than the United States. This ignoring that the United States is a continent unto itself, and has states within it that would be better compared to states in Southeastern Europe.


So because of all your "facts" of France, the US is going the way of Venezuala... because reasons?

Idiot.
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Jan 7 2021 12:48am
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It is simply a matter of fact that the French economy is crap. The Economist, well respected in it's own right, has done an excellent job covering their inadequacies.

It is also a matter of fact that France is objectively (according to the HDI) a worse place to live than the United States. This ignoring that the United States is a continent unto itself, and has states within it that would be better compared to states in Southeastern Europe.


By the way, according to the census French citizens average life expectancy is 82.52 years, compared to United States' 78.54 years, so objectively, you're full of shit.
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So because of all your "facts" of France, the US is going the way of Venezuala... because reasons?

Idiot.


The United States is going the way of Venezuela because they're endorsing street violence, have substituted ideology for facts, have embraced anti-growth policies, and are led by a bartender / waitress messiah to rival the bus driver Maduro.
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Jan 7 2021 12:49am
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It is simply a matter of fact that the French economy is crap. The Economist, well respected in it's own right, has done an excellent job covering their inadequacies.

It is also a matter of fact that France is objectively (according to the HDI) a worse place to live than the United States. This ignoring that the United States is a continent unto itself, and has states within it that would be better compared to states in Southeastern Europe.


But that'd be pretty disingenuous of me to just base my "objectively better place to live" conclusion on a singular topic, right? Objectively? See where I'm going with this?
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The United States is going the way of Venezuela because they're endorsing street violence, have substituted ideology for facts, have embraced anti-growth policies, and are led by a bartender / waitress messiah to rival the bus driver Maduro.


I will agree we have substituted ideology with facts. We just had to live through four years of trumpers ignoring reality so they can be good little cultists. You're 100% right, and it's a step in the right direction for you to admit your errors.
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Jan 7 2021 12:49am
Quote (cambovenzi @ 7 Jan 2021 07:33)
Calling pertinent statements of fact and legitimate concerns 'false and grotesque' does not refute them or erase their veracity.


Demonization is grotesque. A comedy.



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Europe is a varied place. If we take France, specifically, we'll uncover all sorts of nonsensical and counter-productive labor laws that have resulted in a a stagnant and failing French economy that has lagged well behind the United States.

The Democratic party is in favor of those same laws. They oppose competition, and they promote the segregation of the population by and into racial, ethnic, and sexual identities. The Democrats are leading us down Venezeula's bad ending. It's time to get off the ride.


No way, you are talking about economy, I am talking about human people.
Human people are voting, and the bottom 50% has much more vote than 3 billionnaires.
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Jan 7 2021 12:51am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 7 2021 01:49am)
Demonization is grotesque. A comedy.


person laid out important facts you didnt like?
Words. Bad words. what you say. bad. things that are bad. A horror.

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Jan 7 2021 12:53am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Jan 2021 07:15)
Threats to the values, prosperity and safety of the country if radical ideas from within the Democratic party get enacted:

- creeping socialism in every facet of life and society
- mass pauperization as a result of hyperinflation caused by overreliance on Modern Monetary Theory
- declining safety as a result of defunding the police or tying law enforcement's hands when it comes to certain crimes like looting or burglary
- losing the "second cold war" by cozying up to China instead of reining them in
- a de facto end of 2nd amendment rights - Beto "hell yes we're gonna take your AR-15" O'Rourke was considered for the role of Biden's "gun reform Czar" after all
- completely opening the floodgates for unrestricted third world immigration
- an erosion of free speech as the government ignores or even endorses censorship by private entities like facebook/google/twitter, for example under the pretense of combatting "hate speech"
- a climate agenda which ends up being too radical and ill-considered, such that energy safety is endangered and the working-class is destroyed by rising prices for everything
- court packing
- "legally stealing democracy" via shenanigans like DC and Puerto Rico statehood, amnesty and citizenship for 20m+ illegals, etc.


All of these points are exceedingly unlikely to become reality with a 50+1/50 Senate and a 222-211 House, and a guy like Biden would not go for this stuff with 53 Senators and 233 House seats either. But if Democrats had gotten really large majorities in Congress, say 58 Senators and 250+ House seats, then moderate members of Congress would have become irrelevant and pressure from the left would have grown on both Biden and Congress to pass some of the stuff from my list.


holy shit, a bunch of conspiracy hot air and empty phrases, that's all you could do?

what exactly is 'creeping socialism in every facet of life and society', lol? what exactly does that mean for the people, how would it manifest in reality, how is it unamerican, and how likely is it under biden? you're literally just fearmongering with "scary" words. it's like you're OAN for jsp. you're not even ashamed to use the same lazy 'democrat gun grabber' rhetoric that people engaged in when obama became president, lol. do you actually not realise how silly that is?

also, what'd be unamerican about giving your citizens a vote? what's unamerican about protecting the environment (just ignoring the fact that it's ridiculous to suggest that biden, who is well-connected with fossil fuel, could be anywhere close to 'radical' on this in the first place)? what is unamerican about police not indiscriminately killing american citizens (just ignoring the fact that biden, even at the height of the 'defund the police' movement explicitly spoke out AGAINST it)? which american "values" would be violated addressing those issues? be specific - because this sure sounds like you have a very narrow view of who you consider a 'real american', and who you don't - but maybe i'm mistaken.

you're literally just labeling every possible policy you personally disagree with as 'unamerican' in order to fabricate an 'argument', lol. again, no concrete policy or anything even resembling substance and logic coherence. that really sounds like you're just another uncritical conspiracy nut - not that it really surprises me, but sometimes your posts read like you want to be taken seriously and considered a 'reasonable' person...

again, there is a difference between policies you personally disagree with and policies that are a "threat to the nation and its future" - and apparently you're too far gone to distinguish between those, or rather you have a very limited understanding of what that "nation" consists of. very typical for the fourteen words crowd though...
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Jan 7 2021 12:56am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 6 Jan 2021 22:49)
No way, you are talking about economy, I am talking about human people.
Human people are voting, and the bottom 50% has much more vote than 3 billionnaires.


The strategy of the Southern Democrats after reunification was very simple: Impose a welfare state. Those who are not successful and capable of caring for themselves, the state provides their minimal subsistence. In return, the welfare class needs to continue voting for the Democrat, otherwise the evil Republicans will take away all the free stuff. The strategy is still in place, and nation-wide, today. "If you want free shit rather than earning what you receive, vote Democrat". There are currently 59 million Americans receiving welfare. That's a rather huge portion of the consistent Democrat voting base.

So, you're right. Human people who want to take shit away from other human people ARE voting. And they've voted for an Administration that stated that it wants to expand benefits to the welfare class. :)
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