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Dec 15 2020 09:38am
The anti-vax is strong here. So many people against it and saying things like "they haven't cured cancer how did they cure this so fast". That is a direct quote by the way.

I then remember that I am in a place with a sub 50% high school completion rate, and it makes perfect sense.
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Dec 15 2020 09:42am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 15 2020 09:31am)
Actually, mRNA vaccines have not been used before. There might be very specific reasons why this type of new vaccines is safe, but only absolute experts on the field can tell. It's definitely not a trivial question. :rolleyes:


The fact that it's mRNA is irrelevant. It's a vaccination. mRNA therapies are on the market and this is just an application to use it to create foreign proteins that your body will recognize.
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Dec 15 2020 09:55am
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The anti-vax is strong here. So many people against it and saying things like "they haven't cured cancer how did they cure this so fast". That is a direct quote by the way.

I then remember that I am in a place with a sub 50% high school completion rate, and it makes perfect sense.


No previous vaccine has ever been approved in less than 4 years. It doesnt take anti-vaxxing sentiment to be at least somewhat sceptical when it now happened in less than 10 months. I would even argue that being sceptical (as opposed to being generally against or in favor of the new vaccines) is the rational default position to take on this issue. There was obviously a lot of red tape in the usual protocols that could be skipped, and various steps of the process could be carried out simultaneously to save time. Going from 4-5 years to 10 months was still surprisingly quick. It's not gonna be easy to convince people that there really was nothing fishy about such an acceleration of the process.
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Dec 15 2020 10:01am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 15 2020 01:09am)
No you don't. I've personally bent you over a barrel on every scientific subject you have ever posted on. You have never "followed the science" on any subject you've ever posted about on this forum, and have shown yourself to be unable to comprehend even introductory level science concepts.

This is not hyperbole in any way. Your university should genuinely be embarrassed that they gave you a science degree.


Science deniers, smh
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Dec 15 2020 10:04am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 15 2020 09:55am)
No previous vaccine has ever been approved in less than 4 years. It doesnt take anti-vaxxing sentiment to be at least somewhat sceptical when it now happened in less than 10 months. I would even argue that being sceptical (as opposed to being generally against or in favor of the new vaccines) is the rational default position to take on this issue. There was obviously a lot of red tape in the usual protocols that could be skipped, and various steps of the process could be carried out simultaneously to save time. Going from 4-5 years to 10 months was still surprisingly quick. It's not gonna be easy to convince people that there really was nothing fishy about such an acceleration of the process.


You don't actually know how to be skeptical it seems. Because skepticism is doing more than just asking questions to create doubt. You do this a lot. Instead of asking questions to get information you are asking questions to sow doubt
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Dec 15 2020 10:05am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 15 2020 10:01am)
Science deniers, smh


Yes, who's the science denier. The one stacking boxes for a living or the one who contributed data to four published papers this year

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 15 2020 10:05am
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Dec 15 2020 10:14am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 15 2020 03:38am)
Isnt there increasing scientific evidence that while antibody levels do indeed drop off about ~6 months after an infection, almost all former patients still retain their immunity (based on other types of immune response, T-cells and such)?


For me personally, my fear is less about ultra-rare side effects (less than 1 case per 100k vaccinations) that might have fallen through the cracks - my fear is about potential long-term complications or side effects which do not manifest themselves until over a year after the vaccination. These long-term side effects cannot possibly be caught in a trial which only lasted 6 months; but they would be caught when using the normal protocols where approval of a new vaccine takes around 5 years. I totally get, and agree with the assessment, that the world cannot wait this long and has to take a risk on these vaccines, but for me personally (0 comorbidities, already had covid), it's still a concern.



I already responded to this in my post

And ur other post about speed about vaccine, already responded to this also

Memory cell immunity (specifically antibody producing plasma cells and memory B cells) will last which is why subsequent infections will be more benign. However it doesn’t take away from still spreading it to the first time to someone else. The point as I stated as mrna vaccine produces a more robust response to a more specific part, hopefully providing protection for seasons to come

Speed - already addresses, phase 3 wasn’t rushed. Earlier phases were for obvious reasons. The longest part is usually approval to begin phase 1 testing which went from years to days





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Quote (Bazi @ Dec 15 2020 10:14am)
I already responded to this in my post

And ur other post about speed about vaccine, already responded to this also

Memory cell immunity (specifically antibody producing plasma cells and memory B cells) will last which is why subsequent infections will be more benign. However it doesn’t take away from still spreading it to the first time to someone else. The point as I stated as mrna vaccine produces a more robust response to a more specific part, hopefully providing protection for seasons to come

Speed - already addresses, phase 3 wasn’t rushed. Earlier phases were for obvious reasons. The longest part is usually approval to begin phase 1 testing which went from years to days


It's almost like he's doing the same thing he does on trans topics. Asking questions to sow doubt instead of actually searching for information
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Dec 15 2020 10:22am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 15 2020 12:27am)
I appreciate all this information.

If you had to explain in one or two short sentences why the vaccine is safe and why they should get it, what would you say?

I'm going to have to confront family in a few days and I need the best arguments. These are people who are hesistant/paranoid of it.


Try to teach them their risk stratification

If high risk it should be a no brainer from their standpoint. Increased risk of hospitalization and increased risk of poor outcomes. Remdesivir is NOT a benign medication

I would bet a lot of money at least 1-2 people in your family would be considered medium risk (just statistically speaking) who make up the largest demographic of hospitalized patients.

For the low risk people in your family, can say well they will be interacting with xyz person who is medium risk , from your family and other families , and potentially can do their part in helping lower the 1:7 families with a hospitalized member

Since majority of people won’t have option to get the vaccine for time to come. The BIGGESt thing you can do isn’t to fully convince them to take it , but to convince them to keep an open mind. You can play the slow game since time is On your side

Edit : well that’s more from society benefit stance why to take it , not from safety stance. You can say don’t make up your mind now and use the 50,000 phase 3 participants and countless numbers across the world, use them as your Guinea pigs for when it becomes an option for u

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Dec 15 2020 11:18am
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Yes, who's the science denier. The one stacking boxes for a living or the one who contributed data to four published papers this year


Thats great, really. But once the most susceptible are vaccinated, weekly caseload wont matter.
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