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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 9 2020 10:03pm)
Even if your balls drop off, its arguably still worth it for old people.


you changed bro...
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 10 2020 10:27am)
Thinking like this (that only the high risk should get vaccinated, not about overwhelming hospitals) is why we have a resurgence of diseases that were once all but wiped out (measles, pertussis).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5007135/


The vast majority of people should get vaccinated, starting with high-risk people. Not sure where you got the notion I'm against vaccines because I'm not, but I don't believe in forcing, mandating, or guilting people into taking a vaccine for a disease that if you remove the high-risk population the death rate is the same as the flu. Should we start mandating flu vaccines now too?
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The overwhelming majority that is high risk will get vaccinated and have immunity therefore it doesn't follow that hospitals will be flooded. The low-risk people would eventually get herd immunity some from vaccination some from just being part of the 99.5% which has fairly mild symptoms.


Cool. Now address all the other reasons.

The virus likely wouldn't be eliminated from natural spread

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 10 2020 10:33am
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Dec 9 2020 08:13am)
How shocking that a rushed vaccine for a blown out of proportion virus have it's issues. Well at least they will go forward with the great reset at this point. They brought enough chaos/division already to proceed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbAuNhbDps


Your brain must be really smooth.
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The overwhelming majority that is high risk will get vaccinated and have immunity therefore it doesn't follow that hospitals will be flooded. The low-risk people would eventually get herd immunity some from vaccination some from just being part of the 99.5% which has fairly mild symptoms.


There are many many many high risk individuals that are ineligible for this

Hospitals are not flooded with sick characteristically high risk individuals. They are filled with the moderate type folk who have few comorbidities like diabetes or obesity, who thought it couldn’t/wouldn’t happen to them cuz they were America normal. You can bet there will be a substantial portion of this demographic that will be anti vax, and subsequently not help with decreasing hospital numbers

The benefit of low risk individuals getting the vaccination is that it truly helps all demographics because low/medium risk demographics are responsible for the majority of spread

I do recognize the argument for the low risk individuals who have already had covid19 and their rational for holding off at least for now.


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Quote (Bazi @ 10 Dec 2020 08:39)
There are many many many high risk individuals that are ineligible for this

Hospitals are not flooded with sick characteristically high risk individuals. They are filled with the moderate type folk who have few comorbidities like diabetes or obesity, who thought it couldn’t/wouldn’t happen to them cuz they were America normal. You can bet there will be a substantial portion of this demographic that will be anti vax, and subsequently not help with decreasing hospital numbers

The benefit of low risk individuals getting the vaccination is that it truly helps all demographics because low/medium risk demographics are responsible for the majority of spread

I do recognize the argument for the low risk individuals who have already had covid19 and their rational for holding off at least for now.


At least for now? Sorry, can you explain the benefit of a vaccine if you've already had the virus and have antibodies?
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At least for now? Sorry, can you explain the benefit of a vaccine if you've already had the virus and have antibodies?


We don't know how long the average person will remain immune after infection and how that compares to immunity conveyed from vaccination.

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 12 2020 08:03pm)
At least for now? Sorry, can you explain the benefit of a vaccine if you've already had the virus and have antibodies?



antibodies last ~6 months, from what we can currently tell. Reinfections happen but tend to be more benign. However your 2nd benign infection can still be passed to someone else for their first time. Plus the vaccine has been thought to convey longer lasting immunity benefit

From a personal standpoint if you got the virus within 6 months don’t think there is a need to rush to get the vaccine. In fact if you got it within 90 days, depending on where you live, you may be ineligible for the vaccine due to amount of supply.

However the point of the vaccine, like any major vaccine, is largely to protect others as well as yourself. There will be a portion of the population susceptible but whom cannot themselves take the vaccination. Personally for me I drop supplies off for my grandparents. although I maintain distance I would feel more comfortable knowing I have an added bit of protection, for them. Additionally my wife is preg so she won’t be getting the vaccine, and it’s to do my part to protect her. Conveniently I am right at the 6montj point

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 12 2020 09:32pm)
We don't know how long the average person will remain immune after infection and how that compares to immunity conveyed from vaccination.


Sounds like a great business model..
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