so if you can prove both the dems and gop cheated, no matter the # of cheated votes, no one wins?

yup... clear the mess and start over^^

No election with millions of votes will ever be totally free of illegally cast votes. Either through intentional fraud or administrative error, it will just never happen.

sure. imo it depends on the dimension of the fraud. if it is so big, that it has a major impact on the outcome, the elections should be declared invalid, the fraud being investigated, the system tweaked, and the election repeated.

Redoing an election would only be an absolutely last resort in the case of extreme fraud or error.

We are nowhere near that level. The only fraud that's been substantiated so far has been small and isolated, and hasn't come close to swinging any election in this cycle that I'm aware of.

Even so, if you can tie the fraud back to specific votes and adjust the totals, then there's no reason to redo the election. Georgia is a case where if fraud was identified it can't be tied to specific votes, so a solution would have to be found to correct it that doesn't include removing votes. Potentially they could have an emergency election, but it's unlikely that there would be enough to need that since it would require tens of thousands of votes.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 3 2020 02:18pm

Nah, I don't want Republicans to die over a lost cause.

I voted 13 times.

Not on the presidential level, but multiple House races were decided by margins in the hundreds. One race, in Iowa-02, was won by 6 (six) votes out of over 350k ballots cast. Another one, NY-22, is still unresolved, with the current margin in the region of 12 and with all sorts of fuckery and human failure going on. It's a total shitshow and will probably come down to protracted court battles. It might even have to be rerun since there was a batch of around 60 ballots which were marked with stickies, but the poll workers fucked it up and lost the stickies. So in that NY-22 race, we have official confirmation that there are around 60 ballots which might or might not have been counted twice due to human error. If the final margin otherwise stays small enough that these stickied ballots would make the difference, the race will officially be unresolvable. Banana repubic America...

Some states purposefully chose rules that ensured that fraud would be hard to prove. State legislatures will be important here.

In those races we should probably take a closer look. The good thing about the sticky thing is that you can always just rerun all the ballots and do a normal recount, so at least the information isn't lost foreveer.



It is the right of states to conduct their elections in the way they see fit, that means that the level of election security is up to the discretion of the states. At that point it's the job of the state, or an injured party, to prove fraud, not the job of the state to substantiate legitimacy.