except there was more votes than were people also the time needed was way too long. in my country whenever it takes too long to count votes, you know something isnt right at all

but i am all for science! just saying something suspicious must be investigated ! you are a man of science, why would you be against that ?

I stand with Biden: every ballot should be counted, every vote should matter. And in this, Biden will win. It's Trump that proclaimed he, through the SCOTUS, would be stopping the count.

every LEGITIMATE ballot should be counted yes! and whoever wins, did it fairly and i have nothing against respecting the will of people ! so instead of arguing, just let them investigate. if its nothing, then no harm done ! but harm could be done if this isnt doublechecked because ballot voting is infamous for frauds

Its not. If people are telling you that they are lying to you.

I don't think anyone has any problem with legitimate investigations. However, the GOP has a long running history of voter supression. They just tried to throw out 122k votes in Harris County Texas which was struck down by Texas courts (which is full Republican btw).

edit: Also, if I am not mistaken, voter fraud has never been an issue in the USA and has been validated multiple times over.

This post was edited by umeshieee on Nov 4 2020 01:21pm

That's due to the impossibly high bar needed to prove claims. Here in low-population MN, they (the government) don't look for fraud, so outside interest groups do it instead, and with limited resources, we've uncovered more voter fraud than any other state. We have to prove in court that the offender knowingly voted when they were not qualified/eligible to do so.

That sounds like a pretty bold claim. I am pretty ingrained in the current events so if this was actually legitimate then I feel like I would have definitely read about it. Do you have any reliable source to this information?

No its not lol.

Gotta call bullshit on obvious bullshit.



It is like criminal intent matters in a crime.

If there is no intent then it is just a mistake. That is like showing up to the wrong polling place and having to fill out an absentee ballot, which I have done before.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 4 2020 01:46pm

For starters:

https://www.americanexperiment.org/news/widespread-voter-fraud-documented-new-minnesota-supreme-court-case/

Then there's a database of individual proven convictions kept up by the Heritage Foundation here: https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

How is it that California, with 7 times the population as Minnesota, has 1/3 as many convictions? You don't think that the occasional non citizen (of which CA has a very ample supply) might cast a vote? How is it that they aren't discovered? It's because no one looks for it. The MN voters alliance finds it (after taking the Secretary of State to court to disclose public records, no less) with scant resources, which it forwards to county prosecutors.



Does criminal intent matter for your speeding ticket? Does your intent matter if you run over your neighbor's child and kill them?

calling bullshit is okay, if you also provide a proof why its bullshit

otherwise you got nothing

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there was never any need to even try to rig the presidential elections because they were simply rigging the primaries every election was like choosing between podo and kodo, in the end it doesnt even matter

thats why they couldnt rig shit 4 years ago and hillary got absolutely destroyed by trump. they had no experience in rigging the election so they didnt know what to do. this time they had 4 years to prepare

This post was edited by Snyft2 on Nov 4 2020 03:52pm