I find it ridiculous that we are having debates over trans issues like if they should be allowed to use bathrooms when gay rights was less than 10 years ago and we mostly agree what side was the right side now.

My wife has a friend over to watch Critical Role

She's super stereotypically gay. Like mega butch and has legs hairier than mine.

Feels weird having another person in our house.

It takes 2 to tango, and 3 to cuckold.

I dont think that far-reaching trans rights (the way activists and liberals envision them) will easily and completely prevail in the end. At the end of the day, the demands of gay rights activists were very benign and inoffensive. They did not demand access to the other sex's bathrooms, they did not demand bathrooms just for them. They did not feel entitled to being addressed with special pronouns. They did not demand that kids are pumped with heavy hormones or hormone-blockers while still growing up, let alone that the rest of society should pay for the associated healthcare costs.

Also, on a very basic, primeval, instinctual level, a large chunk of heterosexual men will never consider a person viable dating material who used to be a dude and cut his dick off. Sorry for being so blunt, but that's just never gonna happen. Dito for women and f2m transgender.

This is a super strange statement.

Of course gays weren't fighting for those things, they have nothing to do with being gay.
Also, men who reject trans women aren't the sexual target of trans women...

My point is that gays were objectively asking less from society than trans people. Gays were asking for equal treatment, trans people are asking for extra accomodations.

The other point I was making is about the fact that cisgender and transgender folks will collide on the dating market, particularly when it comes to clubs/bars/hookups/ONS. This was obviously not the case with gays.

Go back and read some of the ridiculous straw-men that were proposed about gay rights, and you'll see a lot of parallels to what you're doing right now.

You were late to the party on gay rights according to your own admission, so it's not surprising that you would be late to the party here as well.

The real position most liberals take is not demanding kids are pumped with hormones, but demanding that it be left to scientists and doctors who conduct studies on the actual outcomes and go with the available evidence. The gay adoption issue was constantly framed as "kids will be hurt", but in reality the evidence showed they were better off. That's exactly what you're doing here, avoiding the scientific process in favor of dogmatism.

The bathroom argument was made during the fucking gay rights debate as well, where they said gays would molest your kids in the bathroom and gays are pedophiles.

You are literally doing the exact same thing the anti gay rights people did but you don't have the foresight to see the pattern.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 15 2020 08:39pm

Wrong wrong wrong

They are asking for the exact same treatment.

Nobody asks to inspect your genitals when you use the restroom. If I called you "Mrs" at work even after you protest ten times I will get a harassment claim against me. If there is a health problem in my community I would expect it to be handled by the individuals in that community and their doctors using evidence.

You're doing the same thing white people do when the black guy says he got pulled over 10 times last year. "Well you must have been doing something wrong because I never get pulled over". Dumbass, it's them wanting the system to treat them the same way you are treated, it's not special treatment to be left alone.

When gays wanted to get married they were also called out for asking for special treatment. Go back and fucking look because the way you are framing this argument is absolutely maddening.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 15 2020 08:53pm

There was never a convincing reason to assume that kids adopted by gay couples would be harmed in their development. By contrast, there is an obvious risk of substantial (and potentially irreversible) harm when children take hormone blockers.
Gays never demanded extra bathrooms just for them. They never demanded special pronouns, or extra categories on their passports and drivers licenses.

You are improperly inferring from the fact that the conservative arguments against gay rights were a bunch of bullshit that their arguments against the demands of trans activists must also have no substance to them.


On a more general note: Your big achilles heel is that you consider it an inevitability that the liberal position on any issue will eventually prevail; that all debates and issues ultimately come down to a contrast between the enlightened, scientific and correct liberal position versus the bigoted, backwards and uneducated conservative viewpoint. You think that modern society will inevitably lurch to the left on each and every issue, and that nothing is gonna stop this, no matter how much the hillbilies and rednecks bitch and moan about it. In reality, this inevitability only exists on those issues where the liberal position clearly has the better arguments going for it and is not coming with logic-defying absurdities.

Equal treatment is the exact same thing trans people are asking for. To not be treated different as a woman, in the womans bathroom. To not be treated different as a man, in the mens bathroom. Trans people have been doing this for decades without asking. Its just that now its more okay to be trans and not 100% passable and be treated more normally.

The more weird idea is that a trans man belongs more in the womens restroom than they do in the mens.

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please tell me you want any of these guys pissing alongside your wife, more than you want them pissing in the same bathroom as you.



Its almost a given certainty that human life, unless snuffed out prematurely, will continue to lurch left. We can just vaguely gesture at all of human history for this. There is infinitely more evidence for this as the most likely outcome, than against it.

This post was edited by Mangix on Oct 15 2020 08:59pm