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Oct 11 2020 06:21am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 11 2020 07:08am)
The allocation of people to white- and blue-collar jobs should be based on propensity and different talents though, not on whose family has more money.

That's really the part where meritocracy falls apart in practice: in a truly meritocratic society, a lot of the sons and daughters of middle class parents would have to "move down the social ladder" and become carpenters, plumbers etc. - low status, "work with your hands and get dirty"-jobs. And they cant possibly accept that, so they throw absurd amounts of resources at their mediocre offspring to keep them in the upper echelons of society, which is turning education into an overcrowded arms race and a 'war' of attrition.


Some of the trade jobs offer a way better life time compensation and benefits package when compared to white collar, especially a cushy Union setup. My brother insulates pipe, makes more than my ass which has a 4 year ABET stem degree. Guy gets more $ per hour at his pension than most will ever make as regular wage. The prestige isn't there, but his bank account doesn't care.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 11 2020 02:08pm)
The allocation of people to white- and blue-collar jobs should be based on propensity and different talents though, not on whose family has more money.

That's really the part where meritocracy falls apart in practice: in a truly meritocratic society, a lot of the sons and daughters of middle class parents would have to "move down the social ladder" and become carpenters, plumbers etc. - low status, "work with your hands and get dirty"-jobs. And they cant possibly accept that, so they throw absurd amounts of resources at their mediocre offspring to keep them in the upper echelons of society, which is turning education into an overcrowded arms race and a 'war' of attrition.


I never said middle class people shouldn't be able to get a loan m8, but if they do then the responsible (and smart) thing to do is to pay it back as quickly as they can and they can then move on.

This really is simple logic unless you like to pay interest forever which is exactly what a lot of people do and the reason why loans become death traps.

e: yes I agree talents are surely an important factor here, as well as to chose wisely before taking out a huge loan



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Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 10 2020 06:22pm)
People who go into gender studies, sociology and psychology should be put in a large human size blender and turned into food for the masses so that they provide some value to society


lmao you are what you eat though... so I disagree

Quote (Bazi @ Oct 10 2020 06:57pm)
It is quite often more than that lol

50k a year many schools these days + cost of living + expensive ass 4th year with traveling all over the country sometimes for residency interviews

+3-7 years of residency where interest builds much faster than u can touch it with resident salary +/- a fellowship after that

+if you have undergrad debt that went untouched the entire duration of that that has been accruing interest

The average medschool debt is misleading because that average has a lot of people who have their school paid for. A fairly significant proportion of people come from wealth that go medschool route.

Not complaining, just saying


umm... med school is just 4 years and that's a couple hundred thousand

I get what you're saying but I don't get why you're saying it
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Quote (Ramy @ Oct 11 2020 07:54am)
lmao you are what you eat though... so I disagree



umm... med school is just 4 years and that's a couple hundred thousand

I get what you're saying but I don't get why you're saying it


The initial question was med school level debt, not the tuition of medschool

Two completely different things
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Oct 11 2020 07:12am
Quote (Bazi @ Oct 11 2020 09:03am)
The initial question was med school level debt, not the tuition of medschool

Two completely different things


:rofl: k
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