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Sep 23 2020 11:55pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 24 2020 06:53am)
seriously damaging drywall gets you a charge but killing the wrong person doesn't.
defending it is even fucking wierder.


Tbh the drywall was probably white.
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Sep 24 2020 12:08am
Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 23 2020 10:55pm)
Tbh the drywall was probably white.


Its highly likely.
Drywall Matters
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Sep 24 2020 12:13am
Reading up on the sequence of events

Police knock
Guy shoots
Police shootback
Bystander dead

Is that right?
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Sep 24 2020 12:15am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 11:13pm)
Reading up on the sequence of events

Police knock
Guy shoots
Police shootback
Bystander dead

Is that right?


Knocking is the part in question
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Sep 24 2020 12:26am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 24 2020 02:15am)
Knocking is the part in question

Knocking aside this reads like a grossly incompetent home invasion, the cops created this situation that lead to a young woman's death
What the hell kind of jury let them off the hook for this?




Hours later, in the early morning of March 13, officers arrived at Taylor's apartment and began pounding on the door, an officer later told investigators.

Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, who said he heard banging at the door just after midnight. Concerned there might be trouble, he grabbed his gun, which his attorney said he legally owns. They yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, he said afterward.

The officers used a battering ram to break in the door, and Walker then fired one shot at who he believed were intruders. Mattingly, who was first through the door, was shot in the leg. He and two other officers -- Hankison and Cosgrove -- then returned fire throughout the home.


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Taylor was shot eight times by law enforcement. According to a lawsuit filed by her family, her killing was the result of a botched drug-warrant execution. No drugs were found; the warrant in question targeted another person, who lived miles away and had already been detained by the time police entered Taylor’s home.


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Sep 24 2020 12:30am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 11:26pm)
Knocking aside this reads like a grossly incompetent home invasion, the cops created this situation that lead to a young woman's death
What the hell kind of jury let them off the hook for this?




Hours later, in the early morning of March 13, officers arrived at Taylor's apartment and began pounding on the door, an officer later told investigators.

Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, who said he heard banging at the door just after midnight. Concerned there might be trouble, he grabbed his gun, which his attorney said he legally owns. They yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, he said afterward.

The officers used a battering ram to break in the door, and Walker then fired one shot at who he believed were intruders. Mattingly, who was first through the door, was shot in the leg. He and two other officers -- Hankison and Cosgrove -- then returned fire throughout the home.


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Taylor was shot eight times by law enforcement. According to a lawsuit filed by her family, her killing was the result of a botched drug-warrant execution. No drugs were found; the warrant in question targeted another person, who lived miles away and had already been detained by the time police entered Taylor’s home.


As an aside, and prefacing this as someone who has no law enforcement experience, why would such a plan be orchestrated at past midnight? There's just so much tangential weird stuff about our law enforcement in this case.

Yes, I'm aware that the details of what happened may not match the intention or wording of the warrant so don't anybody @ me with "They did knock!", but a no-knock warrant that's to take place at midnight? wut
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Sep 24 2020 12:37am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 11:26pm)
Knocking aside this reads like a grossly incompetent home invasion, the cops created this situation that lead to a young woman's death
What the hell kind of jury let them off the hook for this?




Hours later, in the early morning of March 13, officers arrived at Taylor's apartment and began pounding on the door, an officer later told investigators.

Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, who said he heard banging at the door just after midnight. Concerned there might be trouble, he grabbed his gun, which his attorney said he legally owns. They yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, he said afterward.

The officers used a battering ram to break in the door, and Walker then fired one shot at who he believed were intruders. Mattingly, who was first through the door, was shot in the leg. He and two other officers -- Hankison and Cosgrove -- then returned fire throughout the home.


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Taylor was shot eight times by law enforcement. According to a lawsuit filed by her family, her killing was the result of a botched drug-warrant execution. No drugs were found; the warrant in question targeted another person, who lived miles away and had already been detained by the time police entered Taylor’s home.


They forget the part where cops are not supposed to be judge/jury.
People defending this quote her alleged connection to drug dealing. Unproven from what I've read. Don't know that it matters at this point.
Guy that shot at cops(her boyfriend) said he had no idea they were police, thought somebody was breaking into the home.
One cop shot from outside into the house like 10x i think he is the one on charges for damaging neighboring walls.
Hence the debate about "No knock" warrants as I am sure this is not the only time this has happened. And who is telling the truth. There are witness who are on both sides of this equation about did they identify themselves
Yes I have also read that the warrant was for somebody else.
Only charge was for bullets hitting walls of other adjacent apartments.


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Sep 24 2020 12:42am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 23 2020 11:26pm)
Knocking aside this reads like a grossly incompetent home invasion, the cops created this situation that lead to a young woman's death
What the hell kind of jury let them off the hook for this?




Hours later, in the early morning of March 13, officers arrived at Taylor's apartment and began pounding on the door, an officer later told investigators.

Taylor was in bed with her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker III, who said he heard banging at the door just after midnight. Concerned there might be trouble, he grabbed his gun, which his attorney said he legally owns. They yelled to ask who was at the door but got no response, he said afterward.

The officers used a battering ram to break in the door, and Walker then fired one shot at who he believed were intruders. Mattingly, who was first through the door, was shot in the leg. He and two other officers -- Hankison and Cosgrove -- then returned fire throughout the home.


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Taylor was shot eight times by law enforcement. According to a lawsuit filed by her family, her killing was the result of a botched drug-warrant execution. No drugs were found; the warrant in question targeted another person, who lived miles away and had already been detained by the time police entered Taylor’s home.


The DA gets to choose what evidence they show to a grand jury. If the DA doesn't want to prosecute for crime X, they don't have to (prosecutorial discretion).

Another critical piece to the story is that the police said that no one was injured in the police report and they also said they didn't force entry.
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Sep 24 2020 01:18am
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 24 2020 01:13am)
Reading up on the sequence of events

Police knock
Guy shoots
Police shootback
Bystander dead

Is that right?


well in fairness you have to include the buildup like:

Woman stashes drug money
Police get no-knock warrant that values potential of evidence over risk to life
Police knock anyways
Guy shoots
Police shootback
Woman dead

She wasn't really a bystander, and the no-knock warrant itself was dangerous and yet they didn't use it.
So where does responsibility fall in such a scenario?

The woman stashing money for her friends drug trade was clearly breaking the law and involving herself in a dangerous criminal world.
The guy shooting at police knocking down his door with a battering ram is in a more gray area- if he didn't hear police announce themselves before they broke down the door, his use of deadly force to defend his home from a deadly threat is reasonable. But that could be weakened if he knew of the drug money stash and had reason to believe the police might investigate, and its definitely invalid if he heard the police.
The judge followed the law by granting a no-knock warrant, and had the foresight to change it to a knock-and-announce warrant.
The police followed protocol in knocking, announcing and entering the home, and they only opened fire justifiably after being shot at.
The law itself was clearly deficient when it allowed for a no-knock warrant, but seems reasonable enough when using a knock-and-announce warrant and targeting a known drug business.
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