watched this live.. that's not really what happened.
This guy for one.. has stirred up fights and protest in PD for years.
He was actually escorted.. yes with a TON of shit talking by some more sensible rioters. In a circle around to get him to the gas station.
Some even stopped the nutjobs. he entered gas station called police and was escorted out.
yes without some protection from a mix of people I am positive the extreme parts would of done who knows what..
but when you have been picking fights for years you kind of expect it.

Obama gave a shit about Ferguson, he simply made the situation far worse.

The narrative that there's an epidemic of racist police officers killing black men in cold blood is simply not true. We need someone in the White House who is capable of pushing back against patently false media narratives. Trump is unfortunately not that person, but Biden is actively on the other side.

“black lives matter” shouts a mob of angry pale pasty privileged lefty rioters as they destroy and pillage communities where a lot of minorities live and have businesses

the irony is overwhelming

Trump's behavior will have major effects on the federal executive, but only marginal effects on local PDs which are controlled by Democratic mayors, city councils and governors.

A racist cop who loves to brutalize blacks whenever he can will not suddenly stop being a racist piece of shit because Obama is president, nor will he get far more brazen because Trump is president (since he's still supervised by a Democratic police chief and mayor).
Similarly, an undertrained cop who's in over his head will not start/stop to panic and pull the trigger in the heat of the moment, based on who the president is.

By contrast, protest movements crucially depend on mainstream support, either from mainstream politics (e.g. prominent voices in the Democratic party) or mainstream cultural institutions (e.g. nytimes op-eds or ivy league universities). Therefore, such movements will always adopt to how much mainstream support their demands, and goals, and ideology, are receiving. If they put out radical demands or messages like "yes we literally mean abolish the police" and see a positive reaction by mainstream institutions, this will of course encourage them to stay radical, or to radicalize even further.

There is an epidemic of

officers racially profiling, officers abusing the populace at large with minority communities being a disproportionate target, and a lack of accountability for the most severe cases of abuse resulting in cases like Ferguson where the prosecutor openly admitted he threw the case so the officer wouldn't be charged.

You're giving a one-line summary and expecting it to accurately summarize the situation. We have a significant abuse problem with the police, and it exists both within the law (qualified immunity, poor training), and outside the law (patent abuse of the public).

We can look back at recent American history and see examples of looting and rioting after a perceived injustice against the black community. Ferguson... Rodney King... the 60's. These things are going to happen when a historically oppressed community gets slighted. Today we have HD video of the injustice.

So, with that knowledge that these things are going to happen regardless of who is president, it's reasonable to conclude Trump doesn't help. For a myriad of reasons. Sure, local officials still get blame, particularly if they abandon all responsibility like CHAZ/CHOP. But the question on the table right now is which president makes it better? Or at least less bad? Not a hard question IMO.



This is where we're battling facts vs narratives. You don't like it that Obama acknowledged the frustrations of black communities, or acknowledged some problems with policing, so you throw the blame on him. You pretend that a president sweeping it all under the rug would've worked better. I don't think that's true.

The norm for politicians is denying the experience of black communities. Pretending the bad doesn't exist. Telling black people that more white people get shot by police is not going to make them magically deny their own experiences.

Except the federal government is an important resource in keeping local jurisdictions in control. A mayor doesn't have carte blanche authority to change everything about the police department. Often police commissioners are elected, and the narrative set by the president has a lot of bearing in how they do their job since they're accountable to the voters, and if the current president is doing something popular and rallying the base to be more harsh to certain communities or be tough on crime that's gonna resonate with the elected police officials.

Additionally, the federal government can oversee departments with problems and bring them in line with investigations and assistance agreements. If you get a president who does hundreds of those during his presidency, that's gonna have a big effect on how the department is run, and when you get a new president who literally does one his entire first term, that's gonna send a big message that you aren't gonna get a federal investigation for breaking the rules.

The federal government, and by extension, the president, has a lot more influence over how police departments conduct their business than you either are aware of, or want to admit.

An Obama-led Justice Department investigated and found nothing. The prosecutor did not want charges because there was no case and the officer patently did nothing wrong. Michael Brown was a violent criminal who robbed a store, attacked a cop, and died.

Police investigate crimes. Crimes are reported disproportionately in minority dominated communities. Police investigate those crimes and, not surprisingly, interact disproportionately with minority suspects.

Does profiling exist? Of course, and it should be combated, but it's a minor issue compared to the immense socioeconomic and cultural gaps that are largely driving black crime.

Police accountability IS an issue, but you'll find that the victims come in all ethnic stripes. And we need to do more to rectify this, absent the counter-productive and destructive racial rhetoric that has left major cities in flames. When it comes to the most severe forms of police abuse, there is no statistical evidence to imply that police are killing blacks disproportionately to what one would expect given crime rates.

why does nobody here understand that to solve opposing views of a problem people need to LISTEN to both sides.. again with R side just saying "eat more trump shit" and solve your own problems.
Its NEVER going to solve like that. he has to get involved. Yes agreed that these local police/mayor cities etc ALSO need to do a better job of managing.
However the local cops are also adding gas to the fire that is NOT helping. "This BLM is communist and they all should be shot" isn't even an accurate description of whats going on, and for sure is just going to escalate it farther.
Problem 1. R and their base refusing to understand there is a policing race problem is why those people are out there.
If you don't start there its just gonna get worse.
Problem 2. If these riot jackass' don't stop the R will never listen to point 1.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Aug 30 2020 01:37pm

Oh yes, the prosecutor who went on a radio show after and said he didn't want the cop charged because he's from a cop family and works routinely with the police can definitely be trusted to make the decision on if he should really try to get charges, and it just so happens that the only case that went before the jury that didn't deserve charges was the one involving the police officer.

You guys just have a super broken bullshit radar lol