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Aug 11 2020 07:01pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 11 2020 08:42pm)
Is this the same Goomshill who was expressing outrage when we debated Trump's wife getting criticized for posting naked? Cruz's campaign was apparently slut shaming?

I suppose these arguments are fit for those who don't have a memory. I do.



Men dont lose value by being sexual you simp.
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Aug 11 2020 07:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 11 2020 08:51pm)
The sluttiness of Trump's wife is objectively irrelevant for his aptitude to serve as president.
By contrast, the question whether candidate X built his/her political career on meritocratic achievement or on back room maneuvers or on being born with the fotm demographic attributes is very relevant when assessing his/her own aptitude.


It's relevant based on Goom's prior statements on slut shaming.

This is just silliness... Trump based his public persona on complete falsehoods. He's not a great businessman, he's not a strong manager, he doesn't hire the greatest people. We have all the evidence we need to conclude that Trump is a complete fraud who started with a ton of money from his father and managed to survive after bankrupting several businesses. But you think the girl who might've gotten her start because of a high profile person, then rose to State AG, then Senator, then VP, is more of an offense to the meritocracy than the orange man?

Maybe I should just put in my signature a statement on sexism and racism, because I can't think of any other rational explanation to this madness.
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Aug 11 2020 07:03pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2020 08:48pm)
It would be a bad 'argument' if someone tried to say Melania Trump is an immigrant success story that has nothing to do with her sex or appearance
Its more a statement of fact, Kamala Harris become successful by sleeping her way to the top. She has a record since then to be judged on, and her reaction has always been to point out that once she was given her corrupt patronage job, she actually did the job. In that regard, I guess her story is at least an improvement over Hunter Biden's no-show gigs, and not paid nearly as much.


You are describing Jared Kushner lol.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2020 08:56pm)
So its a 'right-wing talking point' that you don't know anything about and therefore dismiss out of hand
except ya know, I heard it from Willie Brown

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Sure-I-dated-Kamala-Harris-So-what-13562972.php


A classic tell is the quick response from you, not the page long bullshit. I guess it'll take a few days to gather up all the cult talking points on Kamala, eh?
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Aug 11 2020 07:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 11 2020 06:00pm)
Like I just explained: Trump having donated to Hillary or Harris to before going into politics because he gamed the system tells us nothing about his qualification or ability as a politician. By contrast, it makes a ton of a difference if Harris got into her current position (one heartbeat away from becoming President of the United States once their ticket wins the election) because she demonstrated great skill in her previous roles, or if she just got there because she slept her way up and happened to tick the right diversity boxes.


I think it's ludicrous to think she got where she is solely due to her snatch. It certainly helped really early on but at some point, you're just good at your job.
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Aug 11 2020 07:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 11 2020 08:00pm)
Like I just explained: Trump having donated to Hillary or Harris before going into politics tells us nothing about his qualification and ability as a politician. By contrast, it makes a ton of a difference if Harris got into her current position (one heartbeat away from becoming President of the United States once their ticket wins the election) because she demonstrated great skills in her previous roles, or if she just got there because she slept her way up and happened to tick the right diversity boxes.


She's spent enough time in politics that we know enough about her policies and priorities to see what kind of (temporarily vice) president she'd be
What it really diminishes is her box-checking diversity quota, her born attributes that Democrats have made into a privilege contest
She can't really be held as an immigrant minority woman success story when her way to upwards was horizontal
That's the cake Icemage wants to have an eat too. Its so amazing that a woman of color could be born to immigrants to America and grow up to... have an affair with an infamously corrupt politician and be given a 6 figure patronage graft salary as her reward.

Quote (thundercock @ Aug 11 2020 08:05pm)
I think it's ludicrous to think she got where she is solely due to her snatch. It certainly helped really early on but at some point, you're just good at your job.


"Solely" and "That was her big break" aren't the same thing. If she didn't have the competency and drive, she could have been just another unremarkable recipient of graft living a private life on the taxpayer's dollar
It was Kamala's own defense during the debates that even if her job was obvious patronage, she was good at it, and did it. Like I say, an easy contrast against Hunter Biden being literally handed diamonds.
We can distinguish between how someone 'got there', and whether they were good at it once they got there.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 11 2020 07:11pm
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Aug 11 2020 07:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 11 2020 07:25pm)
True, those are good points.
Except for the part about Whitmer. The reason Whitmer didnt get the job is this:

https://i.imgur.com/zIGDwpp.jpg
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/10/biden-veep-selection-black-woman-393147



Werent u trying to make mock me when I said whitmer would be a solid pick lol
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Aug 11 2020 07:14pm
kamala harris is horrible imo, totally "in", maybe corrupt, sad
still better than trump & frankenstein lol

best comment in my paper:

"Opportunistic and egocentric. The American dream."

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 11 2020 07:17pm
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Aug 11 2020 07:16pm
Quote (thundercock @ 12 Aug 2020 03:05)
I think it's ludicrous to think she got where she is solely due to her snatch. It certainly helped really early on but at some point, you're just good at your job.


I didnt intend to imply that she exclusively got to where she is based on her gender and race. I just wanted to point out that her gender and race were significant factors for her rise, something IceMage denied.

Imagine a world where Biden had chosen his VP without any regard for race and gender. Does anyone seriously think that his choice would have fallen on Kamala Harris in that scenario?





Quote (IceMage @ 12 Aug 2020 03:02)
It's relevant based on Goom's prior statements on slut shaming.

This is just silliness... Trump based his public persona on complete falsehoods. He's not a great businessman, he's not a strong manager, he doesn't hire the greatest people. We have all the evidence we need to conclude that Trump is a complete fraud who started with a ton of money from his father and managed to survive after bankrupting several businesses. But you think the girl who might've gotten her start because of a high profile person, then rose to State AG, then Senator, then VP, is more of an offense to the meritocracy than the orange man?

Maybe I should just put in my signature a statement on sexism and racism, because I can't think of any other rational explanation to this madness.


Tu quoque fallacy. Me blasting Harris for something that also applies to Trump might make me a hypocrite, or a partisan hack, but this hypocrisy/partisan bias doesnt render my criticism of Harris invalid.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 11 2020 07:16pm
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Aug 11 2020 07:21pm
Quote (Bazi @ 12 Aug 2020 03:14)
Werent u trying to make mock me when I said whitmer would be a solid pick lol


Yes, and I stand by the reasons I gave you for why she'd be a horrible pick. But those criticism I have against Whitmer are not why the Biden campaign didnt pick her. They shied away form her for unrelated reasons.

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