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Jul 17 2020 12:34am
Quote (proccy @ Jul 17 2020 01:28am)
well then it doesn't really come down to much more than - if the complaint is accurate - this persons rights were savagely violated in an experimental medical procedure. and had a certain effect which is called something else when properly prescribed.


Exactly. It's a matter of informed consent to the kid and the parents. You don't just get to experiment on people because they're in prison or juvy. You don't lose your rights to not be experimented on. Skinned, Handcuffs, and I all have experience in the medical field and some degree of medical training, so somebody editorializing this into an issue about forcing gender transition really just elicits an eye roll because it shows how little perspective that person has on medical care. (This isn't the first time he's made ridiculous claims like this. He's pretty clueless on medical ethics so there's also that) So far I haven't seen any evidence that their "experiment" was to cause a gender transition, eliminate his toxic masculinity, or any of the other things Goom has claimed.

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Jul 17 2020 12:37am
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What else do we call people who criminally mess with the sexual organs of minors?


Good to see you take a stand against circumcision Bogie!
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Jul 17 2020 12:41am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 16 2020 11:34pm)
Exactly. It's a matter of informed consent to the kid and the parents. You don't just get to experiment on people because they're in prison or juvy. You don't lose your rights to not be experimented on. Skinned, Handcuffs, and I all have experience in the medical field and some degree of medical training, so somebody editorializing this into an issue about forcing gender transition really just elicits an eye roll because it shows how little perspective that person has on medical care. (This isn't the first time he's made ridiculous claims like this. He's pretty clueless on medical ethics so there's also that) So far I haven't seen any evidence that their "experiment" was to cause a gender transition, eliminate his toxic masculinity, or any of the other things Goom has claimed.


i can see both points being valid, and look forward to some solid facts coming out moving forward
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Jul 17 2020 12:42am
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Do you oppose chemical castration for sex offenders?


I generally do. Particularly if its a coercive measure that is weighed against their freedom.
But I recognize the world of a difference between protecting society from a dangerous criminal who has done something clearly evil, and society saying its protecting an innocent child from himself because we want to play god

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It matters a lot lol

If I give a woman birth control for her ovarian cysts am I "Trying to keep her sterile"? No, of course not. That's ridiculous.

If their experiment was "to see if gender transitions help with ODD" then yeah, Goom is right, but absent that it's ridiculous editorializing.


potato potato. Same picture again. It is literally seeing if gender transition hormone therapy helps with ODD.
If the unethical experiment 'worked', then it would establish gender transitioning as a 'treatment' for ODD
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Jul 17 2020 12:54am
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i can see both points being valid, and look forward to some solid facts coming out moving forward


One side isnt valid because we don't have the necessary facts yet ;)


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I generally do. Particularly if its a coercive measure that is weighed against their freedom.
But I recognize the world of a difference between protecting society from a dangerous criminal who has done something clearly evil, and society saying its protecting an innocent child from himself because we want to play god

potato potato. Same picture again. It is literally seeing if gender transition hormone therapy helps with ODD.
If the unethical experiment 'worked', then it would establish gender transitioning as a 'treatment' for ODD


Was it just estrogen? Because there's a lot more to transitioning than estrogen.

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One side isnt valid because we don't have the necessary facts yet ;)


the intention will matter in this case - and it's 99.9% likely they will be found not interested in performing a gender transition

but that's doesn't negate the fact that's what they (In that case) "unwillingly" took part of, in their ignorance
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Jul 17 2020 12:57am
Quote (proccy @ Jul 17 2020 01:56am)
the intention will matter in this case - and it's 99.9% likely they will be found not interested in performing a gender transition

but that's doesn't negate the fact that's what they (In that case) "unwillingly" took part of, in their ignorance


Just estrogen won't cause a transition as far as I know. Theres more to female hormones than estrogen.
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Jul 17 2020 01:00am
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Just estrogen won't cause a transition as far as I know. Theres more to female hormones than estrogen.


i'll learn mores about it, i'm interested now.



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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 17 2020 01:57am)
Just estrogen won't cause a transition as far as I know. Theres more to female hormones than estrogen.


No not really, HRT usually only involves estrodial as a female hormone, combined with spironolactone as an antiandrogen. Everything past that is superfluous, like the dubious use of progesterone. Or the use of analogs like GnRH, same thing.
Go look up any recommended HRT dosages and prescriptions, its not some cocktail of hormones.
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California, bastion of far left purple haired idiots.


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