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Jun 13 2020 09:42am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 13 2020 10:20am)
There are value statements in that meme that are frankly disgusting. Its not about misinformation.


What's disgusting about it?
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Jun 13 2020 09:49am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 13 2020 10:42am)
What's disgusting about it?


>too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun

as though it would have been better if she had killed Floyd, which then carries the implication that the police did nothing wrong by killing him.

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Jun 13 2020 09:59am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 13 2020 08:13am)
its clearly wrong though, he should be punished for misinformation
george floyd was high on fentanyl, not meth, the meth was only in trace amounts from getting high the previous day
and that's only 5 of 9 times george floyd went to prison



In the larger debate of his death.. His personality, past transgressions etc. do not matter in the idea did he get murdered or not. Cops are literally paid to deal with criminals.
They don't get to also be judge in the streets.
If you are trying to bring down the talk of him being a martyr fair enough.. Just to keep bringing up he doesn't have a history of being a great citizen.
Why?
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 13 2020 10:49am)
>too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun

as though it would have been better if she had killed Floyd, which then carries the implication that the police did nothing wrong by killing him.


The world would be better if every single home invader was shot and killed by an armed homeowner defending herself. George Floyd getting shot and killed would be a much better ending than a pregnant woman being brutalized and held at gunpoint as armed robbers demand drugs and money. That's not the same thing as saying the crime deserves the death penalty after the fact, much less any form of vigilante retribution. The answer after the fact is deliberative justice and rule of law. But those who commit an armed home invasion have forfeited their right to life and anyone shooting them at that moment isn't only justified, but doing an act of good by protecting the lives of the innocent. Once the innocent people are out of danger, the courts can pass their judgment and imprison them as they deserve. Though it deserves more than five years.
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Jun 13 2020 09:59am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 13 2020 11:49am)
>too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun

as though it would have been better if she had killed Floyd, which then carries the implication that the police did nothing wrong by killing him.


I think he got off way too light for that stunt but then again I'm in favour of having people who leave shopping carts in parking spots (instead of returning them to where they belong) executed by a roof top sniper so I might be a bit tougher than most on crime
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Jun 13 2020 10:01am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 13 2020 10:59am)
The world would be better if every single home invader was shot and killed by an armed homeowner defending herself. George Floyd getting shot and killed would be a much better ending than a pregnant woman being brutalized and held at gunpoint as armed robbers demand drugs and money. That's not the same thing as saying the crime deserves the death penalty after the fact, much less any form of vigilante retribution. The answer after the fact is deliberative justice and rule of law. But those who commit an armed home invasion have forfeited their right to life and anyone shooting them at that moment isn't only justified, but doing an act of good by protecting the lives of the innocent. Once the innocent people are out of danger, the courts can pass their judgment and imprison them as they deserve. Though it deserves more than five years.


And now you're typing a paragraph to avoid the point, as usual.

We are in the "once innocent people are out of danger so the courts pass judgement" so literally everything you said before that is irrelevant.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 13 2020 11:01am)
And now you're typing a paragraph to avoid the point.

We are in the "once innocent people are out of danger so the courts pass judgement" so literally everything you said before that is irrelevant.


Except that's not what the meme you criticized said. It said "too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun"
You called that disgusting
That's not suggesting judgment after that fact, that's talking about a victim defending herself from armed home invaders breaking into her house and pointing a gun at her pregnant womb
The world would be better off if she and every other victim could defend themselves
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 13 2020 10:49am)
>too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun

as though it would have been better if she had killed Floyd, which then carries the implication that the police did nothing wrong by killing him.


Nah, she actually would have been 100% in the right for her, or someone else protecting her, to have shot Floyd in that moment.

You can say that would be 100% justified, while also saying what the police officer did years later was wrong and that that officer needs to be held responsible.
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Quote (GLYC123 @ Jun 13 2020 11:04am)
Nah, she actually would have been 100% in the right for her, or someone else protecting her, to have shot Floyd in that moment.

You can say that would be 100% justified, while also saying what the police officer did years later was wrong and that that officer needs to be held responsible.


No, you can't say that, or you'll lose your job
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Jun 13 2020 10:10am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 13 2020 11:03am)
Except that's not what the meme you criticized said. It said "too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun"
You called that disgusting
That's not suggesting judgment after that fact, that's talking about a victim defending herself from armed home invaders breaking into her house and pointing a gun at her pregnant womb
The world would be better off if she and every other victim could defend themselves


The meme was written over a decade after the fact. When the meme says "too bad the pregnant woman didn't have a gun" it's in the light of his death by the police and after he's served his sentence for that incident. If I wait 10 years to say "too bad she didn't have a gun" the clear implication is that today would be better if he didn't exist.

Again, you go out of your way to ignore context when you don't like the obvious conclusion. It's just how you operate.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Jun 13 2020 11:04am)
Nah, she actually would have been 100% in the right for her, or someone else protecting her, to have shot Floyd in that moment.

You can say that would be 100% justified, while also saying what the police officer did years later was wrong and that that officer needs to be held responsible.


If you said that a week after the incident, sure. When you say it 10 years after the incident the context is difference and the obvious implication is "he shouldn't exist today so whatever happens to him doesn't matter".

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jun 13 2020 10:11am
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