Quote (Testiclese @ Apr 30 2020 09:40pm)

Do you think rent is theft?



You can opt out of tax by leaving the country, and opting into a different contract, in exactly the same way you can opt out of rent in an area by moving to a different area.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 30 2020 07:44pm)

the conversation is "is tax theft", so opting to get less stolen somewhere else doesn't prove it isn't theft.

as I said from the start, liberals are just afraid of the word theft. why? because they've used adverse labels to such great effect with racism and sexism that they're scared their jackboot storm troopers might be a scary bad label like "thief".

I stole TP from me work when it was out everywhere, sometimes if im out of weed i'll just pinch a bud or two from my stepmom because she grows a bunch, I don't even ask. I steal shit all the time, I don't give people choices. fuck it. im selfish.

Quote (Testiclese @ Apr 30 2020 10:43pm)

And do you think paying for services is theft?

Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 30 2020 07:46pm)

Voluntarily? No.

A thief 'giving' you something in return for stolen money doesn't negate the fact that its theft.
Nor does a thief using your money to kill a bunch of people and arrest non-violent 'offenders' mean its not theft.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 30 2020 09:38pm)

im not applying any different standards, ive said perhaps a dozen times that you can avoid some taxes, but not all taxes. its virtually impossible to avoid all taxes. and if it is you'd be propping up the idea that "poor people can just move, welfare shouldn't exist, pull yourself up by your bootstraps", which you've ignored many times now to keep talking about one small part of taxes. life without taxes isn't in reality possible, whether it's sales taxes or some other kind of taxes, unless you are doing it illegally. which applies to rent, because people can and have squatted successfully without going to jail. but living in someones house rent free or even on the streets isn't illegal, and it's not only possible its a huge problem in the USA.

Quote (Testiclese @ Apr 30 2020 09:45pm)

Okay..? Not sure what your personal theft has to do with taxation, but alright.

Quote (Testiclese @ Apr 30 2020 10:47pm)

But you do believe that someone who owns the land charging you for living on the land is not theft, correct?

What is a nation?

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 30 2020 07:50pm)

I defined theft in my first post here on the subject. simply: taking something while offering someone no choice.

a landlord gives you the choice to not pay them and instead pay someone else, or negotiate some lesser fee. the govt doesn't let you pay less, although to be fair a certain percent can be paid to charity instead of them. but the amount is static. and that's just one type of theft, sales tax isn't negotiable or divertable, property tax either, social security, etc.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 30 2020 07:52pm)

I do not subscribe to the theory of 'governments rightfully own all the people and their labor because people live on land'

Quote (Testiclese @ Apr 30 2020 09:53pm)

The government does allow you to negotiate for lesser fees, or to pay someone else instead of them. Both state AND federal.

There are tons of programs to help lower unpaid taxes. I hear about them every day on the radio when I drive to and from work.