Quote (ThatAlex @ 4 Mar 2020 21:54)
missed opportunity for kobe-pasta.
anyway:
Quote (ThatAlex @ 4 Mar 2020 21:01)
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.
People on this subforum hate Joseph Biden. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.
Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 14 or 15 years old. That means you only got into politics in the last couple years. So you never watched Biden in his prime.
And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into voting records and analyzing previous public statements. But here's the thing: politics isn't played on Congressional voting records. The moment somebody brings up "previous racist statements on Black people" or "poor voting record on LGBT issues" I know they know nothing about real politics. Biden's impact cannot be encapsulated by historical analysis. He's the greatest Vice President ever, and one of the best candidates to ever run for President.
So when I hear somebody say that Sanders is better than Biden, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Biden in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched politics for a significant amount of time, so I know that Biden is better.
You might be jealous of Biden's DNC support, or jealous of his status as the greatest Vice President in American history, or whatever. Unless you're a Democrat who watched politics in the 1980s, or watched Biden absolutely steamroll Anita Hill in the Senate chamber, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win politics look like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This sub would make you think that Biden isn't even a top 100 Democratic candidate ever.
So don't go spouting bullshit about politicians you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Sanders, The Best Democrat in the Field™, but leave the Biden talk to the adults. Fair?
i think you have to make a distinction between the person and their policies. i won't deny that biden used to be a likeable guy with shrewd political instincts back in his day, but that's not the biden who's running in 2020.
he also has some major dark spots on his political and personal record from back then (like siding with his donors in the financial business to escalate the student debt crisis in the early 2000s, his treatment of anita hill which you're using to demonstrate his 'killer-instinct', his support for the iraq war... just to name a few prominent examples), many of which highlight the
major issue that i think most people here have with him compared to sanders:
he is completely owned by special interest, and when push comes to shove he will side with his donors over his voters - like all the other establishment candidates before him. and that is clearly the main distinction between centrists vs. leftists, as it impacts literally every single topic.
so i don't think you have to have lived through and actively followed biden's political prime in order to reject the demented, rambling shadow of that today, who still has the same underlying issue, despite his hilarious (and extremely short) failed attempt to jump on the progressive bandwagon by dishonestly pretending to reject certain donations...
This post was edited by fender on Mar 4 2020 03:04pm