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Jan 30 2020 09:35pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 30 2020 09:06pm)
http://www.renewable-energysources.com/

My estimate seems pretty accurate.

I think solar is a bad example too because we buy the solar panels from China, and they emit tons of toxins and CO2 during production.


Everything emits tons of toxins and CO2 during production. The reason we buy them from China is because the U.S. refused to subsidize the research into solar panels for the longest time. By the time we got off our asses China had an absolutely giant lead.
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Jan 30 2020 10:16pm
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Most Christians don't go out of their way to learn anything more than the basics and id argue that most churches arent even equipped to teach that well, so what they learn in church isnt all that important to whats actually important to the belief. Theres lots of foundational knowledge you dont learn until after high school. You usjally dont even have the basics down in a field until youve got a bachelor's. Personally I like knowing the history of the things I believe, and knowing the societal forces that shaped the current implementation. Then again I'm naturally curious, a trained skeptic, and welll educated. Those things are often a luxury even in modern America.


I learned about most it in a Survey of Church History class that was one of the most intense classes I've taken. It was at a catholic college when I was studying to be a math teacher :p

Like 18-19 years ago lol. I had a baby and my parents died...didn't finish my degree that go around.

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Quote (Skinned @ Jan 30 2020 09:11pm)
I can talk about specific battles of WW2. Battle of the Bulge, largest tank battle in history....I was a tanker...so....Operation Barbarossa the largest military operation in world history, turning point the Battle of Stalingrad, with specific mention of the Pavlov House.

I find it hilarious that you find it hilarious that I run mental laps around you. I'm hitting RUSSIABANK levels of euphoria from you.

I bet I know a lot more than you about theology and the important christian ideas, thinkers, even modern ones. The most influential people on my personal thought are Kierkegaard, Bonehoeffer, and Bubar, all religious existentialist. I currently do mission based work for the nonprofit healing ministry of Jesus. I also understand the difference between slave and master morality and I choose the latter. I'm also a naturalist and believe there is just this reality and I am not moral because I expect to be rewarded. Like a good nihilist I will go back into nothing :)

Do you think I was always atheist? You don't think I was socialized into my regional religion too? Do you think we are that very different?

Who requires this of you -- this trampling of my courts?


mental laps...right

Whatever fantasies you have in your head doesn't change the fact that you really tried saying knowing some random post biblical church history is some central tenant of Christianity as a whole...like i said seems like you really like holding Christians to higher standards for some reason.

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Most Christians don't go out of their way to learn anything more than the basics and id argue that most churches arent even equipped to teach that well, so what they learn in church isnt all that important to whats actually important to the belief. Theres lots of foundational knowledge you dont learn until after high school. You usjally dont even have the basics down in a field until youve got a bachelor's. Personally I like knowing the history of the things I believe, and knowing the societal forces that shaped the current implementation. Then again I'm naturally curious, a trained skeptic, and welll educated. Those things are often a luxury even in modern America.


lol what are the basics?

Post-biblical church history is not foundational to Christianity. Like i said there's a reason why 99% of Churches preach Jesus and the Bible not early catholic history. A theologian is expected and probably knows all this knowledge, even some average Christians know a fair amount but to expect Christians to become astute students of Christian history as some qualifier for becoming a Christian is idiotic. It completely misses the point of the faith and what it's objective is.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 31 2020 04:33pm)
mental laps...right

Whatever fantasies you have in your head doesn't change the fact that you really tried saying knowing some random post biblical church history is some central tenant of Christianity as a whole...like i said seems like you really like holding Christians to higher standards for some reason.



lol what are the basics?

Post-biblical church history is not foundational to Christianity. Like i said there's a reason why 99% of Churches preach Jesus and the Bible not early catholic history. A theologian is expected and probably knows all this knowledge, even some average Christians know a fair amount but to expect Christians to become astute students of Christian history as some qualifier for becoming a Christian is idiotic. It completely misses the point of the faith and what it's objective is.


Did any republicans actually pay attention to any of the stuff about jesus?
Jesus is left of andrew yang.
But if i was going to structure my entire life around a belief in a higher power i would try to know everything about the religion before i made that choice, which is what i did, which is why i ended up an atheist.

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Does your church encourage recycling and using clean energy over fossil fuels? I would be surprised.


Here in Germany, the official churches have, in recent years, been aligning themselves more and more with the goals of the climate movement and the Green Party. To the point where a lot of churchgoers with more conservative views on social/economic/political topis are pissed off by it. Many people complain that the weekly sermon nowadays often sounds more like a campaign rally of the Green Party than a religious address.

In particular, the climate movement, the Green Party and many liberal journalists are increasingly charging up these topics morally, and our mainstream church is happily chiming in. As always throughout history, the official churches are worthless, spineless hacks which follow the perceived mainstream and cozy up to the side with sovereignty over the public discourse.




It should be noted, however, that Germany is a much more secularized and non-religious country than the U.S., and that we have almost no evangelicals. (When it comes to the stance on climate change, I would assume there's a big divide between more liberal churches and evangelicals.)
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Jan 31 2020 05:21am
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Did any republicans actually pay attention to any of the stuff about jesus?
Jesus is left of andrew yang.
But if i was going to structure my entire life around a belief in a higher power i would try to know everything about the religion before i made that choice, which is what i did, which is why i ended up an atheist.


I'm stupid for thinking Jesus should be important to Christians.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 31 2020 04:31am)
Here in Germany, the official churches have, in recent years, been aligning themselves more and more with the goals of the climate movement and the Green Party. To the point where a lot of churchgoers with more conservative views on social/economic/political topis are pissed off by it. Many people complain that the weekly sermon nowadays often sounds more like a campaign rally of the Green Party than a religious address.

In particular, the climate movement, the Green Party and many liberal journalists are increasingly charging up these topics morally, and our mainstream church is happily chiming in. As always throughout history, the official churches are worthless, spineless hacks which follow the perceived mainstream and cozy up to the side with sovereignty over the public discourse.




It should be noted, however, that Germany is a much more secularized and non-religious country than the U.S., and that we have almost no evangelicals. (When it comes to the stance on climate change, I would assume there's a big divide between more liberal churches and evangelicals.)


A lot of it is evangelicals. Not all spiritualities are anti-intellectual...however evangelicals are similar to current Islam with treatment to intellectualism.

A lot of Christians are very ignorant or skeptics of climate science for example....enough so that they can easily been seen as not giving a shit about their true home.

Void thinks in wrong about this because his church hasn't personally advocated for him to pollute. But I asked him if his church encouraged good stewardship of earth and he dodged. They probably do not talk about the industrial death of the earth.

People who believe in something as escapist as the rapture for example, or garden of eden, aren't going to think about the long-term stability or post-human survival of earth as a habitable place. It was built by God for man and it can't be wrong for man to use something given to him by god.

Notice that despite his protests to what I said, Void cannot produce a counterargument. He just says church doctrine isnt important....I would agree, not anymore. These were important things when christians actually had to be serious about their faith, when they were prosecuted. Now they're Pharoah.

Religion for people like him is like picking a sports team.... The importance of the history of the sports team or who used to be on the team isn't a problem you just cheer for your home team and you're an asshole and othered if you don't.

People with higher religiosity, a measure, might study the Bible and try to understand why those books were chosen, and why certain things work like they do. I am curious like this.

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Jan 31 2020 07:15am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 30 2020 10:35pm)
Everything emits tons of toxins and CO2 during production. The reason we buy them from China is because the U.S. refused to subsidize the research into solar panels for the longest time. By the time we got off our asses China had an absolutely giant lead.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/23/solar-panel-waste-a-disposal-problem/

Na bro, solar panel production is BAD. Lead, Fluoride, Chromium, Antimony.

Coal factories release CO2, Water, and Heat. Solar panels are much worse in that way.
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Feb 25 2020 01:46am
Classic situation that you see everywhere: if everyone does what's best in the grand scheme of things, those who go for selfish short-term gain will always be better off.
Every individual conservative hopes to continue making money as they do now, while the rest of the people will do what's necessary to save the planet.

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didn't really read but the real answer is that global warming is an intentional situation with its causations rooted in the future prospects of the canadian tundra and even russia thawing out and becoming the new prime real estate of the globe. if some muslim islands have to sink as a tertiary result, it's considered an acceptable tradeoff
the north is the future and the earth has to heat up to make the north viable
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didn't really read but the real answer is that global warming is an intentional situation with its causations rooted in the future prospects of the canadian tundra and even russia thawing out and becoming the new prime real estate of the globe. if some muslim islands have to sink as a tertiary result, it's considered an acceptable tradeoff
the north is the future and the earth has to heat up to make the north viable


Thus nuclear ICBMs are rising faster than sea levelz
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