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Quote (Plaguefear @ 2 Nov 2019 20:59)
Ecuador is a constitutional republic, Belgium and Finland rank above America.


According to which source/metric? And what does Ecuador being a constiutional republic have to do with the shape of their economy or tax/welfare model?
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According to which source/metric? And what does Ecuador being a constiutional republic have to do with the shape of their economy or tax/welfare model?


Quality of life index, america is ranked 17th just about every country above it is a social democracy, Belgium is 5 places over the USA
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Quality of life index, america is ranked 17th just about every country above it is a social democracy, Belgium is 5 places over the USA


who's publishing this quality of life index? which metrics does it include? got a source so I know which exact list you're referring to?

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Quote (GodSmiter @ Nov 2 2019 04:21pm)
Fair enough thank you for a more thorough answer.

The first point seems to be more about logistics and organizing groups of people than ideology. I get what you are saying, but it might appear like this to us because we only have experienced how it is in a capitalistic society.

It is usually a pro-capitalism idea that businesses spur innovation and technology but I think that is partially because that is how we perceive it living in capitalism itself.

I personally consider inventions and innovations something that is either a necessity or something that can happen for the simple reason that people create things to improve life in general. To that end, if people had more free time and were not bogged down by two jobs for instance, they would have more time to pursue these sorts of activities.

With the era of automation already here, I agree with your last point that QoL will be better off in a capitalism/socialism mix society for now if necessary steps are taken to ensure those who are forced out of the job market to be reimbursed in some way.


Is there a word for ethnocentrism in a political context? I think that's what might apply for why i have a favourable view of capitalism and frown upon communist ideology as their devotees would drastically degrade my standard of living depriving me of what they consider to be excesses (duffman does well for himself) in exchange for elevating the less fortunate when i think our current system works well.

In canada we have an abundance of parasites on welfare who are able bodied and unwilling to work so they certianly have plenty of time to pursue productive activities but simply choose not to so i wouldnt agree that a lack of free time is holding people back from being innovative. Exploitative practices ("clock out and keep working") are problematic and need to be tackled more aggressively so that people are atleast paid fairly for the work that they do.

While im ok with socialist policies like welfare to house and feed otherwise unproductive members of society i do not care enough for them to give up the luxuries I've worked to acquire for myself to elevate their standard of living.

Speaking with the communists who fervently believe a planned economy can do well on its own is like speaking to libertarians who believe a purely free market can do well on its own. It's a religious belief that is not grounded in reality is my perspective on it.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Nov 2019 21:44)
who's publishing this quality of life index? which metrics does it include? got a source so I know which exact list you're referring to?

I’d agree the that qol is better in a number of countries in northern/western europe

Usa should drop our bullshit “defense presence” there since they have it so good. Let Putin and the guy in Turkey go buckwild moving west and let them all go at it for the 3rd time in 100 years
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Quality of life index, america is ranked 17th just about every country above it is a social democracy, Belgium is 5 places over the USA


All of those countries are like 95% white/asian
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 2 2019 09:36pm)
All of those countries are like 95% white/asian


There goes EndlessSky with his blatant racism
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There goes EndlessSky with his blatant racism


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Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 Nov 2019 03:36)
All of those countries are like 95% white/asian


The UK/France/Netherlands/Germany/Sweden all have a sizable share of muslims and africans, between 5 and 18ish percent of the population, and they're still doing better than the US. (Note, however, that places like the UK can hardly be considered a "social democracy"!)

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 2 2019 10:21pm)
The UK/France/Netherlands/Germany/Sweden all have a sizable share of muslims and africans, between 5 and 18ish percent of the population, and they're still doing better than the US. (Note, however, that places like the UK can hardly be considered a "social democracy"!)


Not to mention the reason those groups would drag down the statistics are a direct result of the policy of the United States over the past hundred years
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