Quote (fender @ 12 Aug 2019 15:50)

more pathetic behaviour by trash people who can't make a valid argument to save their lives...

Quote (Skinned @ 11 Aug 2019 08:29)

Helicopter parenting is one reason..
Nurture Shock is an excellent book whose theme is "we've been too nice to kids and its backfired" as far as setting expectations super high and telling them how special they are all the time etc.

Parents are one agent of socialization.

These freedoms because a problem when mixed with individuals who were heavily socialized on the internet.

Think young individuals with access to hardcore pornography and actual videos of people dying. I don't want to do the "in my day" thing but in my day we had to bury playboys on the woods and take turns looking at it, and if you got a faces of death tape that shot was shocking and impossible to get through. These things affect people negatively....if either of us started consuming these regularly we would become worse people this is a fact, and we are developed brains with static personalities.... now compare us to the developing brain still forging those neural pathways and still developing a personality....that stuff is now built right in. This is a major factor in the etiology of this.

Also television writing is lazy and relies on sex for humor all the time. Even shows about nerds are misogynist....if you're a awkward autistic guy and television tells you that you should have a hot chick anyway but in RL Stacy if fucking Chad you're going to internalize that shit watching it day in and day out.

This problem will not be solved any time soon be is nobody is actually thinking about it in any meaningful way, in terms of public discourse.

Psyche and society are similar and we have been using some pretty maladaptive coping skills and defense mechanisms. I think a dressing agents of socialization is going to be the solution. That and dealing with the humans who are already broken.

Conservatives here may take me saying agents of socialization
and compare it eroding tradition and the homosex agenda; they are wrong. There have always been gay people and it has never been a problem for society. Only a fool would say that this stuff is a teleological consequence of that.

Quote (Brian_D @ Aug 12 2019 09:36am)

gun owner checking in, i am okay with anything that will make it harder for a person who should not own a gun to get one. I dont care what hoops I have to jump through.

Quote (Beowulf @ 12 Aug 2019 18:44)

to me that's like when people say "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who is spying/gathering on me"

"who should not own a gun" leads to reasons other than those that are actually violent and/or threatening into weaponized mental illness tactics to prevent a person's rights

people are already mislabeled and mental health already weaponized, giving more control to those doing it will only result in people having their rights trampled for political leanings and social associations and interactions and even religious beliefs in the name of "people who shouldn't have a gun"

Quote (fender @ Aug 12 2019 10:19am)

ah yes, the slippery slope of keeping mentally ill people and felons away from guns. as if mental health wasn't one of the gun lobby's main scapegoats and deflection targets...

Quote (Beowulf @ 12 Aug 2019 19:33)

Portions of the left have found it increasingly acceptable to participate in the unacceptable towards the the right

antifa assaulting people associated with conservatives and calling them nazi supporters
violence and mistreatment being acceptable against those of different political opinions
for some reason it is deemed acceptable to release lists of people that support trump or conservatives through donations in ways that are obviously dangerous and inappropriate and a call for harassment

these people are largely also those that want to control firearms which really boils down to removing guns from conservatives

this is deeply troubling to me as a person on the left.

Nazis and genocide have lost their meaning and just typical law abiding conservatives are increasingly becoming labeled a threat that they are not.

"gun nuts" "psychos right wingers" "they don't care about innocent lives"

I have been on the left largely because of how against this behavior I am by those on the right and how they were for a long time

somewhere along the way the left has increasingly become what we were committed to being against. In my view we were once right and now more and more the left has accepted wrong and have completely forgot we were for the people, all the poor, all the disenfranchised, all the abused, the rights of all

I see what is being done by some of these people on the left and it is absolutely not within our values and principles as a party and ideology for the people

Quote (Beowulf @ Aug 12 2019 08:29am)

This is how I started on the rez at a young age. Not training in school but we had men that instructed on safety and competency as well as understanding they are a tool or a weapon and the responsibility that comes with that. Hunting, tracking, survival etc all a part of it and I think is important for any young person to be a part of.

Started with bows bb guns pellet guns .22 and went from there.

I'm not someone that is into the mandatory 2 years of military thing but this topic is a very good reason for people that are

Quote (fender @ Aug 12 2019 10:44am)

easy there, kellyanne, you're spinning out of control again. once again you're more concerned about the imaginary scenarios of right wing lunatics when it comes to the gun issue, than the REAL problems that america's gun obsession is causing. and you wonder why i point out how irrationally and anti-intellectually you're approaching the issue?

maybe you can preach the dangers of the 'dangerous violent left' to all those people who lost their loved ones to right wing nutjobs who shared your narrative and picked up their guns to do something about it? seriously, you desperately need to adjust your aggressor / resistance radar...

Quote (Beowulf @ Aug 12 2019 10:44am)

to me that's like when people say "I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who is spying/gathering on me"

"who should not own a gun" leads to reasons other than those that are actually violent and/or threatening into weaponized mental illness tactics to prevent a person's rights

people are already mislabeled and mental health already weaponized, giving more control to those doing it will only result in people having their rights trampled for political leanings and social associations and interactions and even religious beliefs in the name of "people who shouldn't have a gun"