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Mar 3 2018 05:01pm
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why would it bother you if he had good policy and it was irrelevant to his presidency? Does someone have to believe in the same religious beliefs as you to be your leader?




Not in the US, fortunately.
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why would it bother you if he had good policy and it was irrelevant to his presidency? Does someone have to believe in the same religious beliefs as you to be your leader?


Being a good politician extends beyond policy proposals and is reactive in nature, requiring good rational judgement, like in foreign policy and negotiations. Believing in creationism is a total rejection of the scientific method and brings an individual's judgement into question, so should be subject to a lot of scrutiny. If you inferred from my post that people have to have the same religious beliefs as me in order to get my vote, then you've missed the point completely.

It also sets a policy precedent for advocating other policies that aren't evidence based. Is it any wonder that such a high proportion of climate change deniers are also creationists? In this example I'm drawing a line between outright climate change denial and disagreement with policy over environmental regulations. If a politician accepted that climate change existed but disagreed over regulating a certain way to curb it, that's a far more rational viewpoint.

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Being a good politician extends beyond policy proposals and is reactive in nature, requiring good rational judgement, like in foreign policy and negotiations. Believing in creationism is a total rejection of the scientific method and brings an individual's judgement into question, so should be subject to a lot of scrutiny. If you inferred from my post that people have to have the same religious beliefs as me in order to get my vote, then you've missed the point completely.

It also sets a policy precedent for advocating other policies that aren't evidence based. Is it any wonder that such a high proportion of climate change deniers are also creationists? In this example I'm drawing a line between outright climate change denial and disagreement with policy over environmental regulations. If a politician accepted that climate change existed but disagreed over regulating a certain way to curb it, that's a far more rational viewpoint.


does mike pence believe the earth is 6000 years old and use this in his judgement? I think the majority of "climate change deniers" are somewhere in the second example
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does mike pence believe the earth is 6000 years old and use this in his judgement? I think the majority of "climate change deniers" are somewhere in the second example


I don't know if he does, that's why I chose my wording carefully. I wouldn't totally rule out voting for a creationist, I'd have a look at their policy proposals and measure it against what they've said and done previously.

Majority of climate change deniers aren't Mike Pence then. From his wikipedia page he's quoted as saying: "does not accept the scientific consensus that human activity is the primary driver of climate change". So really he is embodying the example I set out and not the exception that I allowed for and which you referred to.
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Mike Pence as a possible president, scares me. From what I've read of his policy decisions in the past, he HAS let his deep religious beliefs, affect his decisions.
To me that's just as bad as what's happening in the middle east, where they've let church and state.... mix. This has been shown over and over throughout history, not to work in any kind of government.

As for creationism, that's just plain old irrationality. Take the 6,000 year earth thing. we KNOW that's not true. The oldest modern human fossils are approx. 300,000 years old.
Creationism, to me, is just a form of denial, or a mental illness. There are so very many proofs that it can't be true, that anyone that seriously believes in the creation myth should probably seek help. ^^
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Mar 3 2018 10:47pm
ill go ahead and retract for him because of his base..it's just smoke a mirrors to the truth
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Quote (dro94 @ 4 Mar 2018 02:17)
I don't know if he does, that's why I chose my wording carefully. I wouldn't totally rule out voting for a creationist, I'd have a look at their policy proposals and measure it against what they've said and done previously.

Majority of climate change deniers aren't Mike Pence then. From his wikipedia page he's quoted as saying: "does not accept the scientific consensus that human activity is the primary driver of climate change". So really he is embodying the example I set out and not the exception that I allowed for and which you referred to.


Lucky you don't have to worry tbh. Retards like yecs don't do very well in politics here.
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why would it bother you if he had good policy and it was irrelevant to his presidency? Does someone have to believe in the same religious beliefs as you to be your leader?


1) Have you seen the poll data for people who would atheists? People in America don't have the choice to vote for an atheist because politicians are constantly told they can't be out atheists and have a chance at the presidency.

2) Vague belief in God is not the same as believing the earth is 6000 yrs old. If someone lets their religion affect their worldview that much then who's to say they won't let it affect their views on other things in future. Like Middle-East policy, pollution or human rights issues?
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Quote (djman72 @ Mar 1 2018 05:42pm)
I sincerely hope Pence gets elected at some point in the future(I strongly think he'll be a candidate after Trump). The sole reason is to see the outrage of liberals, it would be glorious.


I'm pretty sure that's a terrible reason to elect a president.
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Quote (BrendanSchaub @ 4 Mar 2018 23:43)
I'm pretty sure that's a terrible reason to elect a president.


That's the pettiness of people like him. Pretty sure a bunch of people voted Trump just because 'lefties' didn't like him.
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