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Nov 14 2017 10:33am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 14 2017 06:51am)
Yes... any perspective on foreign policy apart from your own is childish.

Maybe good guys and bad guys is simplistic, but it's not a bad description of actors on the world stage. For instance, I think we can agree that human rights are a good thing, so international actors that work to expand human rights across the world are better than actors who don't. I think we can agree that the Iraq war was a mistake, it hurt our credibility on the world stage, it was bad for the region, so you could consider the US a bad actor in that circumstance. Russia intervening in the American and European elections might be in their interest, but it's a violation of international norms, which makes them a bad actor in those circumstances.

From an American perspective(not a Russian one like you have), Russia is generally a bad actor on the world stage. Their interests don't align with ours, they don't have the same values.

You were going to vote for the orange guy either way, I'm not sure how exposing an unfair primary process benefits you. just an RT talking point.


No, there a few posters on here who have pretty solid foreign policy/geopolitical understanding such as Goom, Zarkadon and especially Caedus but he doesn't really post on here anymore. We've done more damage to Europe & other countries around the globe with our interventions than Russia could ever do in recent history. Us collapsing Libya is the reason hundreds of thousands are flooding into Europe from Africa, us meddling in Iraq is the reason a power vacuum was created that eventually spawned ISIS.

No their interests don't align with ours but that does not make them bad just because they don't align with ours. That is the idiotic western-centric thought process which basically says hey whats good for us is more important than whats good for you.

And lol..."B-bu-but you were going to vote for drumpf anyways, so the truth shouldn't matter regardless1!!!!11" Um actually i voted libertarian, and if you recall i was the person who created the initial thread in support/endorsement of Kasich. One of the reasons i was so anti-Hillary is precisely due to her corruption and cronyism. Truth matters Icemage, instead of you caring for democracy and being critical of domestic threats to our democracy, you've joined the REEEE crowd which is a colossal smoke screen that diverted all of the attention from what the scumbags at the DNC did.

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Nov 14 2017 11:03am
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No, there a few posters on here who have pretty solid foreign policy/geopolitical understanding such as Goom, Zarkadon and especially Caedus but he doesn't really post on here anymore. We've done more damage to Europe & other countries around the globe with our interventions than Russia could ever do in recent history. Us collapsing Libya is the reason hundreds of thousands are flooding into Europe from Africa, us meddling in Iraq is the reason a power vacuum was created that eventually spawned ISIS.

No their interests don't align with ours but that does not make them bad just because they don't align with ours. That is the idiotic western-centric thought process which basically says hey whats good for us is more important than whats good for you.

And lol..."B-bu-but you were going to vote for drumpf anyways, so the truth shouldn't matter regardless1!!!!11" Um actually i voted libertarian, and if you recall i was the person who created the initial thread in support/endorsement of Kasich. One of the reasons i was so anti-Hillary is precisely due to her corruption and cronyism. Truth matters Icemage, instead of you caring for democracy and being critical of domestic threats to our democracy, you've joined the REEEE crowd which is a colossal smoke screen that diverted all of the attention from what the scumbags at the DNC did.


The Middle East/North Africa were unstable long before we invaded Iraq or intervened in Libya... and it'll continue to be unstable. Everybody knows Iraq was a major foreign policy mistake. The U.S. didn't orchestrate the Arab Spring... we didn't ask the Libyan or Syrian people to rise up against their government, but they did. So after a country breaks out in civil war, and a limited intervention can help the opposition and save thousands of lives, it's not hard to see why Obama chose to do what he did. Obama admitted that the inaction after Qaddafi fell was a foreign policy mistake, not the initial intervention.

I actually agree with you, our part in further destabilizing the Middle East probably has negatively effected Europe more than any Russian actions, but why is that? Because the Russian Federation doesn't have anywhere near the amount of influence as the Soviet Union did. Thank God for traditional American foreign policy.

I'm curious, do you believe Russia having more influence in their region and the world would be a good thing? If so, why? Was the Soviet Union's influence on the world stage a net good?

The Democratic and Republican primaries have always been anti-democratic to some extent. Frankly, I'm glad the process is rigged to some degree, 2016 showed us how stupid the American voters are. They can't be trusted to make adult decisions.

Also, lol @ voting for Aleppo Johnson.

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Nov 14 2017 12:00pm
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The Democratic and Republican primaries have always been anti-democratic to some extent. Frankly, I'm glad the process is rigged to some degree, 2016 showed us how stupid the American voters are. They can't be trusted to make adult decisions.



Agreed, I can't understand how some adults would vote for HRC even after being revealed her un-democratic behavior.
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Nov 14 2017 12:03pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ 14 Nov 2017 18:00)
Agreed, I can't understand how some adults would vote for HRC even after being revealed her un-democratic behavior.


Well look at the other option... She would have at least been a better President than Trump.
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Nov 14 2017 12:05pm
Quote (Scaly @ Nov 14 2017 12:03pm)
Well look at the other option... She would have at least been a better President than Trump.


Not voting for her = voting for drumpf
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Nov 14 2017 12:26pm
Quote (Scaly @ Nov 14 2017 02:03pm)
Well look at the other option... She would have at least been a better President than Trump.




She might have been a better pres. for OTHER countries, but not for the US.
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Nov 14 2017 01:17pm
Quote (Ghot @ 14 Nov 2017 19:26)
She might have been a better pres. for OTHER countries, but not for the US.


You got a clown doing the most pathetic show in post WW2 history instead of a beast that would have been the key for your country to guarantee its supremacy.
It's too late anyway and don't forget she's not born with a golden spoon in the mouth.

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Nov 14 2017 01:28pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 14 2017 03:17pm)
You got a clown doing the most pathetic show in post WW2 history instead of a beast that would have been the key for your country to guarantee its supremacy.
It's too late anyway and don't forget she's not born with a golden spoon in the mouth.




Was that before or after Hillary sells all our uranium to Russia?
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Nov 14 2017 01:28pm
Quote (Scaly @ Nov 14 2017 01:03pm)
Well look at the other option... She would have at least been a better President than Trump.


Wrong.
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Nov 14 2017 01:31pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 14 2017 02:17pm)
You got a clown doing the most pathetic show in post WW2 history instead of a beast that would have been the key for your country to guarantee its supremacy.
It's too late anyway and don't forget she's not born with a golden spoon in the mouth.


This is the best thing I've seen in months.

You might need your noggin checked if you legitimately think this way.
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