That's not much more than: poorer ppl pay less tax then the average.. Lol.. Is that the "think tank" ?



That's not happening in this topic.. You went quite a bit off. I'll probably make a rand like fender when I feel like it today.

JEFF SESSIONS JUST ANNOUNCED. DACA RESCINDED!

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edit for link
http://thehill.com/latino/348848-sessions-says-DACA-to-end-in-six-months

This post was edited by PlasmaSnake101 on Sep 5 2017 09:22am

oh great, a heritage foundation link that (unsurprisingly) wildly simplifies (immigrant "households") and exaggerates the costs, listing items illegals aren't even eligible to receive...
http://econofact.org/do-undocumented-immigrants-overuse-government-benefits

and a commonplace avoiding ANY kind of source, acting like it's obvious (in a bigot's mind maybe).

dodge on the rest...

well, you stated it best yourself: "Its very hard for us to have an honest discussion on immigration in 2017 isn't it?"

This may have gone through Trump's mind for a few seconds, but he already showed with the CSRs and the silly wall that he's too easily distracted to make that strategy work haha. This was supposed to be the "pivot to tax reform."



This gets the legislative history of the last 8-12 years mostly if not completely wrong. Congress has acted, at least attempted, repeatedly, to find a solution to our long-term immigration challenges. Each time, the process ultimately gets scuttled by hardline anti-immigration conservatives, no matter if the process is led by a Republican majority, a Democratic majority, or a small bipartisan working group. Trump is only blathering about it being "Congress' job" because he wants to duck responsibility for yet another unpopular action.

And? Illegal immigrants are poorer than most. It logically follows.



Heritage laid out which benefits illegals actually receive and which they don't. In fact, that was the major point of the link, because it was particularly examining what would happen if amnesty was granted and illegals became eligible for those benefits they don't currently receive;



Like I said, its very hard for us to have an honest discussion on immigration in 2017 isn't it?

It's an over simplification. We have lower taxes on lower wages, to lower average labor costs, making our companies more competitive, while creating means for more ppl to consume and stimulate the local economy.

Illegal immigrants don't pay income taxes though.. Only the ones with a working permit.

This post was edited by Knaapie on Sep 5 2017 11:02am

And yet they still benefit from social programs. Hence imposing a burden, which isn't offset by their taxes.
If you want to argue that they're economically helpful to business to power the market on their pseudoslave labor while picking kale for the hipsters, sure, that's a valid fiscal argument. But then I have to start docking points from the weight of morality.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 5 2017 11:04am

YUGE!

so?! what's your point? you yourself confirmed that congress hasnt found a solution during the last 8-12 years although it should have. that attempts have again and again failed due to the resistance of immigration hardliners should maybe have taught them that they cant force an immigration reform through which disregards those elected officials' stance on the issue. hence, the other members of congress would have had to come up with a compromise that is acceptable to this group of representatives and senators.

also note that what you call "hardline anti-immigration conservatives" cannot possibly be a small, extremist fringe group if they were able to stop bipartisan bills. to stop a bill for immigration reform requries at least 40 out of 100 senators, and half the house. btw what about the time from 2008 to 2010 when democrats controlled the white house and the house of representatives, and had a supermajority in the sentate? why didnt they pass immigration reform at that time?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 5 2017 11:08am