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Feb 13 2015 08:28pm
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Obviously at this point it is on the people fighting against evolution to bring evidence to the table to try and disprove it, but there have been many things considered facts in the past that have been proven wrong. Putting 100% trust into something is never a good idea


...having a different belief is not fighting .
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...having a different belief is not fighting .


Agreed, unfortunate choice of wording, but has no real impact on the point.
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...having a different belief is not fighting .


In this particular instance - yes it is. Holding a belief that is directly opposite to known facts after being made aware of the known facts is fighting against the known facts. An irrational position unless you have something to back it up with and an affront to humanity.
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In this particular instance - yes it is. Holding a belief that is directly opposite to known facts after being made aware of the known facts is fighting against the known facts. An irrational position unless you have something to back it up with and an affront to humanity.


...your ranting is genuinely psychotic , an affront to both civil discourse and behavior .
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Feb 13 2015 08:56pm
Its not a secret that democrat politicians have been giving massive compensation to public unions that helped get them elected, to the great detriment of the general public they are supposed to be serving.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 13 2015 10:48am)
He's a conservative who won 3 gubernatorial elections in 4 years in a massively liberal state.

He's got the Koch brothers on his balls like glitter on a stripper.

He's relatively unknown nationwide, which is shockingly a good thing for a Rep. candidate (i.e. no hooker scandals, claims that the earth is 5000 years old, or n-bomb sound bites)

He's a teaparty poster boy outside of the teaparty's homerange and would slay the bible belt.

I think Scott Walker would be a B- candidate at worse. He's had trouble at home with his reforms but it didnt make him any less of a viable candidate as his 2 elections post-education reform shows.


I'm sorry but we've got to deal within the confines of reality here. Wisconsin is a D+2 state that the Republicans have had near-uninterrupted control of the State Assembly for 20 years. The state party has also held the governor's mansion for 6 of the last 8 terms and had the same level control over the rest of the statewide offices that didn't have Doyle or LaFoullette holding them. The state history shows how Walker's alleged cross-over appeal and electability argument are vastly overstated. He's strung together 6-point wins in midterm years (and a June special) that were extremely favorable to his party. He's never won a November election in a presidential and he probably couldn't. His only instance of any cross-over appeal at all involved said special where he enjoyed a ridiculous 12:1 monetary advantage and where a contingent of voters backed him purely because they philosophically oppose recalls.

Walker, on paper, is a strong primary candidate but he would be a dreadful general election candidate for his party: moderates despise him, his monetary advantage would be gone, and not only does he have zero appeal to non-whites but he'd drive more of them away. He's also dogged by legitimate scandals. He might not even pass the smell test once an ounce of scrutiny is finally applied to his record by the national media, as terrible as they are at their job. Unlike the state media the national press would diligently look into each of his many scandals because he's an easy target and they know both parties will be shopping endless stories: John Doe, illegal coordination with the Club for Growth, other campaign finance violations, the WEDC, the Kenosha casino. The list is practically endless.

Walker could be a really big risk for the GOP. It's possible that he could get buried so badly that the GOP would have to triage him like Bob Dole and Clinton could waltz to a 52% win. He could really blow it for them.

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I'm sorry but we've got to deal within the confines of reality here. Wisconsin is a D+2 state that the Republicans have had near-uninterrupted control of the State Assembly for 20 years. The state party has also held the governor's mansion for 6 of the last 8 terms and had the same level control over the rest of the statewide offices that didn't have Doyle or LaFoullette holding them. The state history shows how Walker's alleged cross-over appeal and electability argument are vastly overstated. He's strung together 6-point wins in midterm years (and a June special) that were extremely favorable to his party. He's never won a November election in a presidential and he probably couldn't. His only instance of any cross-over appeal at all involved said special where he enjoyed a ridiculous 12:1 monetary advantage and where a contingent of voters backed him purely because they philosophically oppose recalls.

Walker, on paper, is a strong primary candidate but he would be a dreadful general election candidate for his party: moderates despise him, his monetary advantage would be gone, and not only does he have zero appeal to non-whites but he'd drive more of them away. He's also dogged by legitimate scandals. He might not even pass the smell test once an ounce of scrutiny is finally applied to his record by the national media, as terrible as they are at their job. Unlike the state media the national press would diligently look into each of his many scandals because he's an easy target and they know both parties will be shopping endless stories: John Doe, illegal coordination with the Club for Growth, other campaign finance violations, the WEDC, the Kenosha casino. The list is practically endless.

Walker could be a really big risk for the GOP. It's possible that he could get buried so badly that the GOP would have to triage him like Bob Dole and Clinton could waltz to a 52% win. He could really blow it for them.


Utter lie. Try 5:3 advantage.
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Utter lie. Try 5:3 advantage.


Uh no. This data isn't hiding anywhere, you just have to get out of your little bubble to see it. I suggest starting at any of the following points:

http://www.wisdc.org/pro12con.php
http://host.madison.com/data/politics/campaign-donors/
http://wisdc.org/index.php?module=wisdc.websiteforms&cmd=campaigncontributions&office=G&candidate=102575&year=2012&from=2011-01-01&to=2012-06-30
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/wisconsin-walker-recall-money-stats

Walker had an immense monetary advantage; the edge that the pro-Walker side enjoyed in non-disclosure outside spending alone was so massive that it could have proved to be decisive if so much of it wasn't "issue-based support" from out-of-state surrogates. Breitbart and conservatives4sarah and the rest of the echo-chamber aren't going to be able to whitewash the financial landscape of the recall elections. Everyone understands what happened, provided they have even an elementary understanding of elections.
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Quote (Pollster @ Feb 15 2015 07:35pm)
Uh no. This data isn't hiding anywhere, you just have to get out of your little bubble to see it. I suggest starting at any of the following points:

http://www.wisdc.org/pro12con.php
http://host.madison.com/data/politics/campaign-donors/
http://wisdc.org/index.php?module=wisdc.websiteforms&cmd=campaigncontributions&office=G&candidate=102575&year=2012&from=2011-01-01&to=2012-06-30
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/wisconsin-walker-recall-money-stats

Walker had an immense monetary advantage; the edge that the pro-Walker side enjoyed in non-disclosure outside spending alone was so massive that it could have proved to be decisive if so much of it wasn't "issue-based support" from out-of-state surrogates. Breitbart and conservatives4sarah and the rest of the echo-chamber aren't going to be able to whitewash the financial landscape of the recall elections. Everyone understands what happened, provided they have even an elementary understanding of elections.


Source 1, which is candidate money, and the topic most in Walker's favor is 6:1. You're really bending over backwards to ignore issue ads and other expenditures. Try http://www.mintpressnews.com/following-the-money-investigation-probes-funds-in-walker-recall/173026/ for a summarization, notably:

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Walker’s successful recall campaign, during which he outspent his opponents $84.5 million to $52.6 million.
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 14 Feb 2015 02:55)
...your ranting is genuinely psychotic , an affront to both civil discourse and behavior .


For someone who professes to have a history in the mental health profession you seem to have an incredibly loose definition of the word 'psychotic'.
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