Quote (j0ltk0la @ Jan 21 2015 11:25pm)

That's exactly what was done, people are too easily convinced by cowardly publicity stunts, some wannabe tranny martyr had to take his beliefs to their logical conclusion,

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 22 2015 01:16pm)

Suicide is a huge problem among the transsexual community. It is a problem. The locus of the problem is mostly due to false consciousness, where an individual internalized societal values that debase their existence and justify their exploitation and denigration through socialization. It is pretty shitty, but things are improving. You might call her a martyr, well there are entire organizations based on the efforts of martyrs. I don't think being named as a martyr is a bad thing, except that it is an honor earned through horrific fashion.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Jan 22 2015 02:19pm)

Yes, it is, what is it like 30x more likely to commit suicide?

So what did he prove offing himself, that he's another statistic? Not only that his death is being celebrated as some sort of accomplishment, it is sick, all of it.

Whatever he wanted out of killing himself, I'm sure he got it tenfold with all the crap I saw about it, he set trannies back some because he only proved they don't respect themselves or their lives, they want to sit around and whine about not getting their way, externalizing it to their parents, or something other than themselves. Tranny folk have to come together and recognize that suicide is not blood on anyone's hands except your own, you are responsible for that, and just because you didn't get first-world white boy surgery to be a barbie princess doesn't mean that life is over.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 22 2015 01:26pm)

Why do you think her suicide was some sort of bargain? If anything it was a last grand statement. Also, you're thinking fallaciously. You are making a simple mistake called fallacy of composition. You are generalizing what one person does to a whole population that is arbitrarily defined to begin with. Big whoops.

It wasn't a bargain. I can't see how bring about one's nullification can possibly be any sort of bargain, unless you're in the sort of situation where you have to jump on a grenade to save your platoon mates, or push your friend out of the way of a bus or jump out of the way yourself. But that kind of bargain isn't what you're talking about either.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Jan 22 2015 02:27pm)

I think any suicide is a failure, cowardice to the extreme, and a short sighted mistake anyone can make at that age.

It sucks, but I have a strong stance on it.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 22 2015 01:36pm)

I think of it as turning the on switch off....I think all being have the urge, what Freud calls the Death Drive, some of which is focused outward, some of which is focused inward.

Some people's drive run harder than others....drug addicts, sex addicts, people who experience personality disorders and mood disorders, and all sorts of things. There isn't anything wrong with these people, they are just experiencing very human emotions...and sometimes it gets to be too much to handle.

You characterize it as a failure, and I kind of view it as throwing in the towel, and it shouldn't be glamorized or romanticized either....but it shouldn't be ignored or disregarded either. So much of the human experience is shaped by this drive, it is extremely fascinating and elusive to know.

The drive runs strong in me, which is why I enjoyed violent sports, why I enjoyed military service, why I enjoy conflict as a social worker. I am sublimating my urges. Some aren't so successful. I suppose I have more at stake here than some others.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Jan 22 2015 10:27pm)

I think any suicide is a failure

Quote (thesnipa @ 22 Jan 2015 12:57)

Once again you project your perception (perhaps based on personal experience) of Christian teachings onto all Christians. Where does it say all Christians believe and are taught that sin is the direct path to eternal damnation without regards to extent? I dont know of any pastors that preach stealing a candy bar being equal to slaughtering 10 babies.

Your opinionated statement that there is no NEED for a god to be a good person is true, however its misleading. If someone were to state that being a good person and being religious are mutually exclusive they would be incorrect. So essentially your opinion that god is not needed is just that, an opinion. It does not offer any objective fact because it is entirely situational.

I have never felt the love or respect from my housing community that i have felt from my church community. Ill be the first to admit that a kind community atmosphere is attainable without religion but from my experience it isnt common. Ive also been to churches largely devoid of a community feel, again its entirely subjective.

My personal question is if there was a church that didnt preach against gays, didnt teach people shame for their sins, and didnt preach anything but love and self responsibility devoid of judgement by the church or fellow churchgoers would you be against it still based on the fact that the congregation cannot prove the existence of god scientifically? It seems to me you assert that religion is inherently damaging, however im here to tell you that such a church as i have described above does exist, i know this because i am there from 8:45-10:00 each sunday.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Jan 22 2015 11:19am)

Yes, it is, what is it like 30x more likely to commit suicide?

So what did he prove offing himself, that he's another statistic? Not only that his death is being celebrated as some sort of accomplishment, it is sick, all of it.

Whatever he wanted out of killing himself, I'm sure he got it tenfold with all the crap I saw about it, he set trannies back some because he only proved they don't respect themselves or their lives, they want to sit around and whine about not getting their way, externalizing it to their parents, or something other than themselves. Tranny folk have to come together and recognize that suicide is not blood on anyone's hands except your own, you are responsible for that, and just because you didn't get first-world white boy surgery to be a barbie princess doesn't mean that life is over.

Quote (Gastly @ Jan 22 2015 01:50pm)

that is very narrowminded of you. you should respect our cultural traditions.

Quote (ChurchGirl69 @ Jan 22 2015 01:57pm)

She killed herself because she was born into a world that not only fails to validate her as a human being, but demonizes her for an aspect of her being that harmed no one and was out of her control. Sometimes I think the only group of people that are more heavily stigmatized in our culture are pedophiles. You are truly an awful human being if you aren't trolling. Be grateful that you've never experienced the immense weight that is gender dysphoria. She was a teenager. Her brain was not fully developed. She had no one in her corner, not even her parents. She felt hopeless and decided to kill herself. As a trans woman myself I've felt that darkness and have contemplated suicide many times. Luckily I've pulled through because I see the value in life and have a support system. The fact that you trivialize her suicide as "whining" is disgusting. Try having some empathy for people going through things that you have luckily never had to deal with. Being trans is an incredibly hard life to live in our culture, and I'm not asking for sympathy but could you at least not verbally spit on her fucking grave?