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Jun 10 2013 05:17pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 10 2013 06:02pm)
I am for the rule of law and a restrained federal government. This is the government going after whistle blowers (which Barry is unfortunately wont to do) and a gross overreach of power. They have proper channels for getting data, and that means a court order from a security clearance (secret) court. That's not what this is. This is data mining every single solitary American, regardless of our rights. Someone should be fired, and it isn't Snowden. What I am NOT, is for propping up an unchecked and patently non-transparent government going to any lengths "to keep us safe" when they have already done egregious harm to the rights we hold dear.

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The government disagrees and says its well within their constitutional authority, that there is oversight, and that you're just an unsupported minority viewpoint (the majority of Americans support the governments access to this data) that won't hold up in the courts.

I'm inclined to agree with them, not only is this a constitutional exercise of their legitimate authority, but it just makes sense. Unless you're involved in something illicit, there's no reason to suppose that the government is interested in what you're doing, and they still need a warrant to access your data even after they've filed it.
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Jun 10 2013 05:26pm
"He should be arrested, if he thought there was a problem he should have fixed it through democracy"
If this guy hadn't leaked prism and had just said it existed he would have been called a nut job.
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Jun 10 2013 05:28pm
Every lawyer in the world will tell you don't talk to police, you can say things that may seem incriminating even when innocent..
How is prism any different?
Except you don't know these "cops" are watching.
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Jun 10 2013 05:35pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 10 Jun 2013 23:17)
The government disagrees and says its well within their constitutional authority, that there is oversight, and that you're just an unsupported minority viewpoint (the majority of Americans support the governments access to this data) that won't hold up in the courts.
I'm inclined to agree with them, not only is this a constitutional exercise of their legitimate authority, but it just makes sense. Unless you're involved in something illicit, there's no reason to suppose that the government is interested in what you're doing, and they still need a warrant to access your data even after they've filed it.


http://www.ibtimes.com/jim-sensenbrenner-republican-author-patriot-act-says-nsa-prism-surveillance-goes-too-far-1297697

Jim Sensenbrenner, Republican Author Of Patriot Act, Says NSA PRISM Surveillance Goes Too Far

links on to http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/09/abuse-patriot-act-must-end

This abuse of the Patriot Act must end
President Obama falsely claims Congress authorised all NSA surveillance. In fact, our law was designed to protect liberties


while i know that you do not care about americans abusing the rights of others
if this causes a backlash against the usa then it should be of importance to you as well
so let me add the following link as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia
key headline:

Obama faces international backlash over NSA surveillance tactics
Officials in European capitals demand immediate answers and denounce secret gathering of digital information on Europeans as unacceptable


linking to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/obama-pressured-explain-nsa-surveillance

This post was edited by brmv on Jun 10 2013 05:41pm
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Jun 10 2013 05:43pm
Quote (brmv @ Jun 10 2013 06:35pm)
http://www.ibtimes.com/jim-sensenbrenner-republican-author-patriot-act-says-nsa-prism-surveillance-goes-too-far-1297697

Jim Sensenbrenner, Republican Author Of Patriot Act, Says NSA PRISM Surveillance Goes Too Far

links on to http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/09/abuse-patriot-act-must-end

This abuse of the Patriot Act must end
President Obama falsely claims Congress authorised all NSA surveillance. In fact, our law was designed to protect liberties


while i know that you do not care about americans abusing the rights of others
if this causes a backlash against the usa then it should be of importance to you as well
so let me add the following link as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia
key headline:

Obama faces international backlash over NSA surveillance tactics
Officials in European capitals demand immediate answers and denounce secret gathering of digital information on Europeans as unacceptable


linking to http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/obama-pressured-explain-nsa-surveillance


It's not going to cause a backlash in Britain, where apparently a majority support the government "snooping" through phone records, and I'm not sure we're really going to care who else complains.
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Jun 10 2013 05:44pm
Have you guys even read the wiki article on the PRISM program? What exactly do you object to?
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Jun 10 2013 05:49pm
Is there a "Assassinate Edward Snowden" petition yet?
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Jun 10 2013 05:50pm
You guys don't like PRISM because Obama is black.
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Jun 10 2013 05:54pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 10 2013 07:19am)
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I wonder how jesus would feel about you and your cohorts being out for blood anytime someone does something you deem as being wrong.
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Jun 10 2013 05:57pm
Quote (Brian_D @ Jun 10 2013 05:54pm)
I wonder how jesus would feel about you and your cohorts being out for blood anytime someone does something you deem as being wrong.


Please try to separate the will of the nation with someones personal will, it gets confusing when you are unable to do this on your own and I have to hold your hand through all of this.
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