The debt has increased by 5 trillion under Obama. He has surpassed the spending of Bush in his 2 terms within 3 years. But let me guess.. "he had to fix G.W.'s mistakes". Debt has always been an issue. But when you have a president surpass the previous "spending" president within 3 years.. there is serious problem that needs to be addressed. The main problem with the democrats is that they will simply not take responsibility for our economy right now. Yes it has been a culmination of many poor decisions, but the one's in office have done nothing to fix the problem. Rather they have added to the problem in an exponential way. You can only blame past policies and administrations for so long before you man up and take responsibility for your own screw ups.

This post was edited by Dune1 on Aug 16 2012 04:09pm

I don't think he meant it to be racial on a conscious level, but it was still inappropriate. It'd be similar to slipping up and saying "negro" or "colored." Not exactly the most PC things to say.

You don't get it, do you? The entire 8 years that Bush was in office, the entire GOP was telling us how irrelevant our deficit is; it's only now that a democrat holds the presidency when it somehow is a huge issue. I just want to know where all this outrage and call for fiscal responsibility was when Bush was in office.

Surely you can see the irony of Paul Ryan voting for some of the most fiscally irresponsible of Bush's policies, and yet somehow is now currently referred to as the epitome of fiscal responsibility.

This post was edited by Nihlathak on Aug 16 2012 07:32pm

bigotry and hypocrisy are part of the same package

When businesses are forced to compete for negligible profits as they are in America, its hard to put people in chains.

I didn't "attack the opposition." Let's try to read it again. I only stated, accurately, that the Republican party is comfortable using the same exact rhetoric that they are now trying to criticize, and they are more than happy to introduce it to the national debate no less. The hypocrisy is obvious, and it's clearly coming from the Republicans. I don't care what language Rick Santorum used in his stump speech and I didn't attack him for it. But if the Republicans didn't rise up in outrage over the language he used, then they have no right to manufacture some outrage the moment a Democrat uses the same language simply because they are unhappy they're losing an election. That's what hypocrisy is.

Also, Joe Biden was not addressing a "black crowd." He was giving a stump speech in Wytheville VA, and a large section of the crowd he was speaking to was African American. As stated earlier, the comment was a direct response to Paul Ryan's dialogue, and neither it nor Biden's remark had an intented racial context. The commentary is that under the massive deregulation that the Republican ticket supports, the American people would once again be chained to the harmful practices of an unrestrained Wall Street, as they were before when they had to "bail out" the institution after it got itself into trouble. Context and intent do mean everything, it seems you're clueless concerning both.

And, no, I didn't state that "making minorities have to show I.D. to vote is a monstrosity." Maybe you should try reading that again, too. I said that the legislation itself is a monstrosity, and there are a half-dozen reasons why. They are listed here, here, and in several other replies. If you can wade through your constant failed attempts to disregard the full scope of the issue and oversimplify it to try to make it just about race, you can re-read the thread again and hope to get a better understanding this time. It isn't a racial issue, though different demographics are disproportionetly effected. It's simply bad legislation. Since you're a fan of oversimplifying things, a more accurate simplification of my comments would be "making PEOPLE show I.D. to vote is a monstrosity," given that we have empiracle evidence that voter impersonation is not occuring and the legislation only suppresses, not validates the vote.

This post was edited by JayKwik on Aug 21 2012 05:49pm

Actually you are the one playing the race card by insinuating that he was talking about slavery, good job taking his statement out of context and spinning it into something that makes no sense, you would send your resume to fox news.



This post was edited by Brian_D on Aug 21 2012 10:35pm

...I sure hope this doesn't harm my election prospects .

I am very republican, yes bush spent tons of money, yes obama spent even more money. the difference of why we make a big deal about obama spending money, is because every other president paid his bills on time. Obama rejected every budget plan, and then sat there and told the country to make a better one, with out proposing a half decent one himself.