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Mar 29 2012 11:51am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 29 2012 12:30pm)
This is what you said:

"you have to increase taxes. Period."

I plainly disagree and logic and facts are on my side.
Its not just Ron Paul that is opposed to raising taxes


I'm done arguing what you refuse to read in my earlier posts.
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Mar 29 2012 12:01pm
I asked you to elaborate and you declined..

You instead resorted to attacking ron paul and misrepresented my hesitancy to raise taxes solely on my support of him.
He is far from the only candidate hesitant to raise taxes.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 29 2012 12:06pm
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Mar 29 2012 12:05pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 29 2012 01:01pm)
I asked you to elaborate and you declined..

You instead resorted to attacking ron paul and misrepresented my hesitancy to raise taxes solely on my support of him.


#1 Ron Paul crusader to the rescue.
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Mar 29 2012 12:06pm
Just curious, where is Ron Paul's actual budget proposal, so that we can really look at the nitty gritty details? Without those, it's left open to much speculation and criticism.
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Mar 29 2012 12:07pm
Quote (bigspot_05 @ Mar 29 2012 02:05pm)
#1 Ron Paul crusader to the rescue.



Ad Hominem and dodge

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 29 2012 12:07pm
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Mar 29 2012 12:10pm
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Just curious, where is Ron Paul's actual budget proposal, so that we can really look at the nitty gritty details? Without those, it's left open to much speculation and criticism.

Found this on his website
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

Lots of charts and graphs and relatively specific numbers
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Mar 29 2012 12:11pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Mar 29 2012 12:11pm)
Don't talk to me about what Keynesian economics would do, Obama understands those better than you.  He's Kenyan after all.


Lol! I almost spit out some lunch on the monitor.

Quote (njaguar @ Mar 29 2012 01:06pm)
Just curious, where is Ron Paul's actual budget proposal, so that we can really look at the nitty gritty details? Without those, it's left open to much speculation and criticism.


http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

/e

Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 29 2012 01:10pm)
Found this on his website
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

Lots of charts and graphs and relatively specific numbers


Jinx.

This post was edited by Santara on Mar 29 2012 12:12pm
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Mar 29 2012 12:17pm
Unless the political discussion towards entitlements significantly changes I don't see how we will ever come close to balancing the budget.
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Mar 29 2012 12:18pm
Quote (njaguar @ Mar 29 2012 11:06am)
Just curious, where is Ron Paul's actual budget proposal, so that we can really look at the nitty gritty details? Without those, it's left open to much speculation and criticism.


its actually on his campaign website....spelled out in extreme detail lol. Especially compared to anything the other candidates offer.
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Mar 29 2012 12:31pm
Thanks for the link, google wasn't being my friend with a quick search on the matter.

I'll have to review it a bit closer, but one common mistake stands out:
When you reduce government spending, GDP will contract, because part of the GDP equation is government spending/debt. When this shrinks, so does the GDP. Also, a fair amount of the income gained through taxes comes from federal employees that will be terminated under this plan, which also decreases the amount. I see he accounted for a fairly small decrease in income to the government, but whether this was calculated based upon how much is actually cut, the decrease in tax rates, or just being conservative I'm not certain at a glance.

In any case, that makes the GDP related charts practically impossible to gauge, as the exact impact will be very hard to determine, though you can get in the ballpark based upon what and how much cuts occur.

I'll dig into it a bit deeper later, and see if maybe the answer lies in the numbers somewhere.
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