What the hell?
People proning laicité are not neccessarly anti-theist. I consider myself agnostic and I wouldn't ever want religion in the school where I live in. NEVER. It has nothing to do with believing or not in God.

This post was edited by Harmonium on Oct 12 2011 04:47pm

No, but the people who engage in debates asserting God doesn't exist aren't expressing a neutral position, which is what atheism is, but instead they're expressing positive/negative (depending on your point of view) assertions, and to have any certainty in an unknowable equation means non-neutral positions, meaning anti-theism (or theism on my account).

wat.

Again, what you are saying makes no sense. What you are saying assumes agnosticism as true, and then even says that those who are atheists while being agnostic are anti-theists. Not all atheists are agnostic, and I am not an agnostic, especially regarding the Christian faith. Additionally, I recommend you read the wikipedia articles on anti-theism and atheism. Anti-theism is active opposition to theism, whereas atheism is simply disbelief in theism.

...that'll have t wait for tomorrow.

I see what you're saying. Without a set of beliefs for me to not hold true, I would not say that I lack beliefs. However, atheism is not the rejection of the fact that there are extraordinary belief systems. It is a statement of not subscribing to those belief systems. I do not believe in gods, but I do acknowledge the fact that other people do. This reminds me of a scene from the Dead Poets Society. Watch this short scene (two minutes) from it before continuing with my post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68SLg5ofQMI

(What is essentially the whole point of the video follows this line, so I hope you watched the video first in case you haven't seen it yet -- this line is here just in case you skipped past the link by reflex)

"I'm exercising the right not to walk." What you're essentially saying is that Dalton, who acknowledges that other people choose to walk in whatever direction they want to, is also walking through his lack of walking. To apply this back to our discussion, I can acknowledge that people choose to follow various religious belief systems. However, not following one of those belief systems does not mean that I am therefore following a belief system. It is not an oxymoron to acknowledge the existence of belief systems while stating that I do not believe in the validity of these systems.

Yes, you can lack beliefs but that doesn't make atheism a *lack* of belief in theism. Atheism is the outright denial of belief in god, which could be called a lack of belief in god, but that would ignore the fact that nearly everyone when they become atheists must deny first instead of simply lacking. You can't not believe in something that doesn't have some sort of reality to it, constructed artifically or not.

What I said has nothing to do with what you said about Dalton. If I did that, then that would mean that I said that Atheism is a religion. By saying that Atheism is a belief I am underlining the fact that people must know about god in order to deny belief in it, and that denial of belief in it is in fact a belief.

You must hold a belief in order to deny a belief. What you are saying is that you can take a left turn without consciously willing it.

Is this a West Side/East Side version in politics?

lol @ religous people thinking all atheists are moralless beast


lol @ atheists thinking all religous people are ignorant


there is a common ground. you just cant be blinded by the fog of war to see it.

Mind = blown.

I don't think all religious people are ignorant. I just don't believe what they believe and I can't understand how they can. I also can't understand how people enjoy watching golf or bowling, but that doesn't mean I think golf and bowling enthusiasts are ignorant either.