Quote (Grippster @ Dec 20 2009 11:34pm)

imo overcoming hardships shouldnt make u proud of the thing that caused you hardship, just be proud of yourself for overcoming any hardships.
but your point is fair

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 20 2009 11:34pm)

Yeah that'd be weird if disabled people felt proud about themselves. 

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 20 2009 11:34pm)

ETA: Also, your "Gays are disabled" argument is roughly on par with a "Blacks are disabled" argument.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 21 Dec 2009 13:31)

Perhaps a one-legged ginger headed midget with a speech impediment should be proud of being born handicapped ?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Dec 20 2009 11:37pm)

Negroid is a race , homosexuality is a deviation . Not the same .

Quote (Grippster @ Dec 20 2009 11:39pm)

werent u in the military for a while?

Quote (Santara @ Dec 20 2009 07:29pm)

No one has a right to marriage, and I challenge you to prove that one does. Your statement is logically no different than "straights can have children so denying gays is an affront to civil liberties." Like I said before, if you want to get married, do it in a church. There are probably churches that would do it now anyways.



Straw man argument. It isn't comparable to the concept of separate but equal, because the only difference is the title. If all rights are protected for all parties involved in all cases, which is the idea of the government ONLY recognizing civil unions, then no one is being treated unfairly. Changing the meaning of the word marriage to suit your purpose doesn't mean that it's separate but equal, because marriage has ALWAYS been about procreation, which is, of course, impossible for non-heterosexual unions.

Quote (Pootmasta_P @ 20 Dec 2009 23:35)

Alright you guys are getting a little off track. Disabled pride isn't in their disability it's in their ability despite the poor hand they were dealt.

Homosexual pride is well...you've seen the parades.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Dec 20 2009 11:41pm)

Actually, you are very very wrong. If one group is allowed to be married and have it recognized by the state and another is not, that group is not a "straw man", that group is one that is being denied rights. Now, if you consider marriage a liberty rather than a right as I do, then the current system is prohibiting liberties. So, summarily, the current system of banning gay marriage is preventing both rights and liberties. I, as a trueAmerican™, cannot abide that.