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Dec 16 2024 09:14pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 16 2024 12:37pm)
Well no. A terrorist attack is deadly violence motivated by a social/political/religious agenda. An insurrection is at attempt to seize control of a government. Folks on January 6th didn't try to take over the actual operations of government, they were just aimless rioters who milled around in the capitol and left, most of them were just looky loos and taking selfies, and some of the people who had weapons purposefully held them back

Its a measure of intent and motive in both cases, not effectiveness. Willem van Spronsen was an Antifa terrorist who tried to blow up a building and shoot police but the only person he got killed was himself. Still a clear example of a terrorist. Rioters trying to delay certification of an election don't really rise to the motivation of a real coup attempt


Am I misunderstanding, or are you contradicting your own definition argument about scale and rising to minimum thresholds for these definitions to have weight?

By definition, Jan 6 was an insurrection. Same as by definition, Luigi is a terrorist. Both don't really rise to the levels the populace is expecting though. Perhaps Luigi has unrealized plans that were thwarted, but as it stands he killed one CEO. On par with the crimes of a mentally ill person. No mass bombings, no mass murder, no ploy to massively disrupt health care. Sure, he is a terrorist, but that really waters down the word. Guess I'm used to more grandiose incidents when terrorist pulled out the dictionary
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Dec 16 2024 09:14pm)
Am I misunderstanding, or are you contradicting your own definition argument about scale and rising to minimum thresholds for these definitions to have weight?

By definition, Jan 6 was an insurrection. Same as by definition, Luigi is a terrorist. Both don't really rise to the levels the populace is expecting though. Perhaps Luigi has unrealized plans that were thwarted, but as it stands he killed one CEO. On par with the crimes of a mentally ill person. No mass bombings, no mass murder, no ploy to massively disrupt health care. Sure, he is a terrorist, but that really waters down the word. Guess I'm used to more grandiose incidents when terrorist pulled out the dictionary


Its about intent not scale. Terrorism is defined by the actors and their motive. If the US drops firebombs on Tokyo, its an act of war. If Al Qaeda bombs a subway its terrorism. If a gas pipe exploded in a suburban house its an accident.

Theres a pretty high number of failed terrorists or underachievers who kill one person or just get themselves blown up or imprisoned. Non state actors engaged in political/religious violence to push their agenda, its terrorism. I guess to scale it only matters to specify deadly or serious violence, nobody cares about some rand paul wacko starting fistfights in a bar

But yes it boils down to that whole vain exercise in debating over definitions when words are supposed to convey mutually understood meanings. Few words got tortured and twisted more since 911 than "terrorism"
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Dec 17 2024 04:27pm
So is the Health Insurance industry going to actually change? I'd say NO, this national manhunt and non stop media attention seems about ratings and also about showing the populace you don't PK a Lordling else heaven and earth will be turned over to get justice.

Have heard executives blacking out their PID, rolling with more security, and the nasty ongoings that have been highlighted stepped back from at least temporarily (anesthesia limits). Meanwhile, still very large, widespread problems for US citizens getting health care. Not even talking about the bum, but the ones paying in

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Dec 17 2024 06:00pm
: Luigi Mangione Charged as a TERRORIST ....So If you complain about our insurance you may be put on a terrorist list?
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Dec 17 2024 06:25pm
Quote (doomchaser @ Dec 18 2024 11:00am)
: Luigi Mangione Charged as a TERRORIST ....So If you complain about our insurance you may be put on a terrorist list?


It may have more to do with the manner of which he conveyed his complaint than the complaint itself.
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Dec 17 2024 06:40pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 17 2024 04:25pm)
It may have more to do with the manner of which he conveyed his complaint than the complaint itself.


I don't think they charged the Trump shooter with terrorism? Can go after elected officails not a act of terrorism..But going after a CEO is crossing the line? :ph34r:
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Dec 17 2024 06:43pm
Quote (doomchaser @ Dec 17 2024 07:40pm)
I don't think they charged the Trump shooter with terrorism? Can go after elected officails not a act of terrorism..But going after a CEO is crossing the line? :ph34r:


They shot that guy in the head
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Dec 17 2024 06:46pm
Quote (doomchaser @ Dec 17 2024 07:40pm)
I don't think they charged the Trump shooter with terrorism? Can go after elected officails not a act of terrorism..But going after a CEO is crossing the line? :ph34r:


Writing a manifesto about hatred of insurance companies probably didn't help.
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Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 18 2024 11:43am)
They shot that guy in the head


The second one lol
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Dec 17 2024 10:46pm
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5044269-poll-finds-41-percent-find-killing-unacceptable/

A poll found 41 percent of adults under 30 consider the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson acceptable, more than the 40 percent in that demographic who consider it unacceptable.
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