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Dec 14 2024 05:05pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 14 2024 10:59pm)
I'm in favor of a secure border but I'm not in favor of mocking the desperate people who wish to come to this country.

Seems like you are reinforcing the golden rule of Trumpism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/


Why dont they fix their country instead of fleeing to another?

Won't they just allow things to get shitty in the place they flee?
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Dec 14 2024 05:09pm
Quote (Mondain @ Dec 14 2024 06:05pm)
Why dont they fix their country instead of fleeing to another?

Won't they just allow things to get shitty in the place they flee?


Cause there's not some magical way to fix their countries, and it's in their self-interest and their family's interest for them to come here.

They come here and work. It's a self-selecting group of people who want a better life. So they don't make this country worse, they make it better.

That said, we should want a secure border and people should come legally. But the people who come illegally tend to work hard.

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Cause there's not some magical way to fix their countries, and it's in their self-interest and their family's interest for them to come here.

They come here and work. It's a self-selecting group of people who want a better life. So they don't make this country worse, they make it better.

That said, we should want a secure border and people should come legally. But the people who come illegally tend to work hard.


They are spineless cowards who should fix their country or die trying.

e- pretty much every American's ancestors are spineless cowards.
They were fleeing the old world, for the new world.
Wiping out the native Americans in the process.

And sure one could say the great experiment of the new world changed other countries.
indirectly fixing the old world countries.

But if you boil it down. People were willing to suffer on a boat across the ocean than end the reign of kings from which they came.

e2- so people flee the democracies and dictators in the 21st centuary.
There is no, new, new world.

Those people will come to America, and allow the same issues to perpetuate as from which they came.

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Dec 14 2024 05:28pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 14 2024 06:09pm)
Cause there's not some magical way to fix their countries, and it's in their self-interest and their family's interest for them to come here.




That's where you and so many others are... wrong.

It's in their self interest to go "elsewhere", but not necessarily here.
And... they need to do it... legally.

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Quote (Mondain @ Dec 14 2024 06:12pm)
They are spineless cowards who should fix their country or die trying.

e- pretty much every American's ancestors are spineless cowards.
They were fleeing the old world, for the new world.
Wiping out the native Americans in the process.

And sure one could say the great experiment of the new world changed other countries.
indirectly fixing the old world countries.

But if you boil it down. People were willing to suffer on a boat across the ocean than end the reign of kings from which they came.

e2- so people flee the democracies and dictators in the 21st centuary.
There is no, new, new world.

Those people will come to America, and allow the same issues to perpetuate as from which they came.


Traveling to a country where you don't speak the language to seek a better life is the opposite of cowardice.
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Dec 14 2024 05:29pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 14 2024 05:59pm)
I'm in favor of a secure border but I'm not in favor of mocking the desperate people who wish to come to this country.

Seems like you are reinforcing the golden rule of Trumpism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/


God damn that was doggerel. "This isn't incoherent." -Adam Serwer

I don't care what he believes but that guy is a terrible writer.
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Dec 14 2024 05:31pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 14 2024 11:28pm)
Traveling to a country where you don't speak the language to seek a better life is the opposite of cowardice.


So.. the lesson their children should learn is run away from your problems?
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Quote (Shadowoffury @ Dec 14 2024 06:29pm)
God damn that was doggerel. "This isn't incoherent." -Adam Serwer

I don't care what he believes but that guy is a terrible writer.


It's one of the most insightful pieces of writing on the Trump phenomenon in the last 10 years but ok.
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Dec 14 2024 05:35pm
Look at people who fled california, let's cut out the international portion.

They took their weird cali liberal ideas with them to other states.

Directly affecting the states in which they landed.
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Quote (IceMage @ Dec 14 2024 05:59pm)
I'm in favor of a secure border but I'm not in favor of mocking the desperate people who wish to come to this country.

Seems like you are reinforcing the golden rule of Trumpism:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/




So why does Trump's picture top the article? LOL


Oh yeah... I remember. "Orange man bad". :/

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