detention sure has changed a lot since i made fart noises in class and got sent there.

just the wall may not be cost prohibitive, but 98%+ capture rate may be. that's a whole lot more guards, wearing a whole lot more gear, with a whole lot more walls lined with a whole lot more sensors. all to carry out a whole lot more deportations.

really we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars, then we have mexico to deal with who may be angry large numbers of migrants are stuck in their country.

I have no idea by what percent the wall would reduce illegal migration, but the cost of doing nothing is also significant. I'd argue it's actually a lot more significant than the cost of actually getting the border under control.

You can't have millions of people a year come into this country illegally, with many ending up on various social safety net programs on a indefinite basis. It's a huge collective cost to the taxpayer that manifests in a lot of different ways that can't be easily tracked.

I'd note though, this has not been an argument about cost, but has always been framed in politics based on feelings, caring, etc. Like this is at least a 10 year old problem. It's a necessary investment and government can no longer pretend it's not a pressing issue.

just take the guards off the borders and have them do random check ins with roofing, construction, produce picking, and other commonly exploitative jobs. fine companies HEAVILY when they get caught using workers without a green card.

if the river is giving you problems just break the levy wall on the retention pond downstream.

immigration itself isn't the real root cause, demands for dirt cheap labor is.

then crack down on social safety nets.


its still not my prefered solution, i'd make the southern border a scattered line of army bases and have people do time there after active deployments to cool off. sign people on as ice agents if they like the work. that cuts down on vet suicide, unemployment and homelessness too.

Can we just relocate every single state prison across the country down there and get a nice 2 for 1 with the guards. Fill the gaps with military bases.

If the odd prison riot leads to some escape into Mexico it is what it is!

This post was edited by SBD on Jan 23 2024 11:20am

Pretty sure the trump wall was going to be around 20 billion.

New York alone is spending 2.4 billion just this time around on ann extremely small portion of the illegals.

Seems like a no brainer

A wall ain't stopping a determined migrant. May as well just light 20 billion dollars on fire.

Edit, my understanding that 20 billion estimate is from 2017. Ain't no way that's coming in on budget and for anything like 2017 estimates



This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 23 2024 11:44am

Lmao, that's a nice wall.

Don't get me wrong to an average American or European that wall would be fucking terrifying.
To a migrant that just traversed a whole continent, that is a minor inconvenience

The video posted by handcuffs shows sections angle grinded away. Two easy cuts then huge door

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Jan 23 2024 11:47am