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Oct 7 2023 01:28pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 7 2023 09:20pm)
I agree. But States are rational actors. They must have something of a major support or a trump card i.e Chemical or Biological weaponry to make such a move.
It doesn't make sense that with the advanced military hardware and software that Israel have and they know it very well, they would have made such a move.

I don't think Ukraine would have went head to head with Russia if there is no backing and support.
Something is amiss here and it is going to get very dicey.

If Hamas is that foolish to make such a move without any trump card in their pockets, they are basically giving Israel the entire area for free in the very near future. The entire population will be displaced.
I have checked out some videos and images and I can say Israel will not hold back. No nation will allow such things to happen to their citizens, and if it happens no nation will sit there, push you back and have a peace talk.

Furthermore Israel is on the upper hand here. It is not a Russia / Ukraine situation. It is more like a USA / Grenada situation. There is literally no fight to be honest.


maybe there is something else, but the hamas trump card is the muslim support in the region

israel going all out would probably trigger the next big war in the region
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Oct 7 2023 01:32pm
There can never be peace between those peoples.

One has to go.
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Oct 7 2023 01:34pm
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maybe there is something else, but the hamas trump card is the muslim support in the region

israel going all out would probably trigger the next big war in the region


Apart from Iran who is going to support obviously.

It is hard to imagine all the rest of the Sunni Muslims in the region will support Gaza.

I am not up to date, but I do not think the Sunni Muslim in the Mideast is having much conflict with Israel to a point where they will support Hamas.
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Oct 7 2023 02:08pm
So let me get this straight…. the hardliner conservative israelis genocided Palestinians for years, killing and displacing thousands. And now that a couple hundred Israelis get killed, they want to double down on killing arabs… I mean Palestinians. Hmmmm…. Guess Netanyahu doesn’t realize the similarity between himself and Adolf hitler?
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Oct 7 2023 02:21pm
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So let me get this straight…. the hardliner conservative israelis genocided Palestinians for years, killing and displacing thousands. And now that a couple hundred Israelis get killed, they want to double down on killing arabs… I mean Palestinians. Hmmmm…. Guess Netanyahu doesn’t realize the similarity between himself and Adolf hitler?


Both have done wrong, but one of them is a legitimate state. If Hamas had the firepower of Israel, it would've done at least the same (we see proof of it now). The official state of Palestine hasn't taken part in such actions at the same extent as Hamas. While it's true that a legitimate state should be the "bigger person", the fact that they haven't fully cracked down on Gaza and the West bank after what Hamas is doing, is them being pretty lenient imo. One could argue them to have more claim for doing it.

There's still a couple million people in Gaza and around 3 million in the West Bank. Ethnic cleansing, killings and displacement? Probably. Genocide? I wouldnt say so. They would get more global approval if they wouldve been softer with the Palestinians, but its a vicious circle where those who started the conflict are soon almost fully replaced by generations who have lived their whole lives through this conflict, on both sides. There is no easy way out anymore. They are at war because they have always been at war, that's the only reason for the conflict at this stage.

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Both have done wrong, but one of them is a legitimate state. If Hamas had the firepower of Israel, it would've done at least the same (we see proof of it now). The legitimate state of Palestine hasn't taken part in such actions at the same extent as Hamas. The situation there is a vicious circle, and while it's true that a legitimate state should be the "bigger person", but considering they haven't fully cracked down on Gaza and the West bank after what Hamas is doing, theyre being pretty reasonable imo.

There's still a couple million people in Gaza and around 3 million in the West Bank. Ethnic cleansing, killings and displacement? Genocide? I wouldnt say so. They would get more global approval if they wouldve been softer with the Palestinians, but its a vicious circle where those who started the conflict are soon almost fully replaced by generations who have lived their whole lives through this conflict, on both sides. There is no easy way out anymore. They are at war because they have always been at war, that's the only reason for the conflict at this stage.


Umm sorry but the israelis genocide Palestinians. It’s been happening since the 40s. Irgun and Lehi taught the pro zionists well.
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Oct 7 2023 02:30pm
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Umm sorry but the israelis genocide Palestinians. It’s been happening since the 40s. Irgun and Lehi taught the pro zionists well.


No, im right, youre wrong.

10 points if you get my point.
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Oct 7 2023 02:34pm
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No, im right, youre wrong.

10 points if you get my point.


Lol… and you don’t even know what Irgun and Lehi were…. do you know what the SS were?

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Lol… and you don’t even know what Irgun and Lehi were…. do you know what the SS were?


The SS were some guys who fought Russia in World War 2
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Quote (AleKsRoBerto @ Oct 7 2023 10:08pm)
So let me get this straight…. the hardliner conservative israelis genocided Palestinians for years, killing and displacing thousands. And now that a couple hundred Israelis get killed, they want to double down on killing arabs… I mean Palestinians. Hmmmm…. Guess Netanyahu doesn’t realize the similarity between himself and Adolf hitler?


exactly. Israel supplies the "Palestinians" ( i.e refugees from Jordan, Egypt and so on that no sane Arab country wants to deal with ) fuel, water and electricity while their only wish is to cleanse the land from any soul that lives in Israel.

the worst mistake in the history of Israel was not to make Gaza a flat desert before it was infested with radical Jihadists. no worries, this time it will be heavier than last time. it will take a decade or so to build. time will tell.

tell me good sir - what would Russia, America or any logical country would do after a full scale near-border invasion spraying 70 and 80 years old on the streets ? a tactical nuke ? napalm ? a full scale airstrike without a time limit, just shooting banks of good old expired ammo till Gaza is a bare land with zero buildings ?

do you see anything similar in Israel retaliation to the "Palestinian" people ?

have you ever been to Syria ? have you ever saw a chemical airstrike ? a real genocide ? bodies over one another till it block the sun in the morning ( im no poet, iv seen shit.. yep )

are you familiar with how Arabs deal with Arabs inside Israel ? ( such as dignity between families etc ) ?

have you ever seen a Jew holding a kid as a little shield before exploding himself to space ? i saw one in my service before he went poof, only he was actually an Islamist.

let me make one thing clear - we ( Israelis ) are the *least* the "Palestinians" should worry about.

the whole world needs to worry about Radical Islam.

if you feel we are the problem.. that's really not an issue for me, since iv been and seen everything you didn't.

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