Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 15 2023 03:26pm)
Election fraud calls from the loser are a cancer on democracy and we need a precedent to establish a base level of proof needed to claim it. this may sway no one, this may not result in a single guilty verdict, but it puts pen to paper on phony election fraud claims and gives trump his day in court he pretended to want to prove it.
Election fraud calls from a loser are a cancer on the loser. All it does is make Trump look like a sore loser, like it did with Stacey Abrams and with John Kerry and so on. Democracy isn't threatened by those that question its integrity, democracy is threatened by those that lock up the ones questioning its integrity. We've seen it countless times across Africa, Asia and the eastern EU in the post-war era as sham democracies fall apart, and basically all the hot conflicts right now center on 'democracies' where opposition leaders are imprisoned on trumped up charges.
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that said all it takes is Powell, Giuliani, or some lackey claiming Trump personally told them to continue making claims sans evidence to have a more serious outcome, both legally and politically.
in any case this isn't dissimilar to mafia RICO prosecution at all. cast a wide net both with defendants and charges, and see who squeals. and sometimes Rico charges end up like John Gotti, whereas other times Rico charges end up like John Gotti.
If Trump told them to continue making claims without evidence than that just makes him a scurrilous liar. Imprisoning politicians for 'lying' is the slipperiest slope since that's what they're doing any time their jaws flap.
The whole thing about RICO is that its exclusively reserved for organized criminal empires, for high level gangs and the mafia, and trying to apply it to legitimate figures engaged in singular crimes is absolutely wrong for starters, let alone trying to argue someone making up some bullshit generates the basis for treating everyone in his orbit like the mafia and suspending all their first amendment rights and pursuing them on the flimsiest of contrived arguments.
That's the thing about actual free democracies with protected civil liberties. You're not just free to disagree about politics, you're free to be
wrong. Once the people who think they are 'right' start declaring that positing the 'wrong' view is illegal, well shit take a biopsy and ship it to the lab and start your chemo