"End it anytime" well not really, if they have to get into the programs, get sober and get mental help (all 3 of which can be extremely complicated especially if someone has mental health and drug problems) then it isn't really anytime.

Slaves could be freed legally as well, through manumission, emancipation or self purchase. It just wasn't very likely to happen, just as it probably wouldn't be in this situation.

But ignoring that, how do you force these people to work? If they just said no would they go to jail? Most would probably rather jail

If they want to sit in jail than that would be their right. Me personally I would rather do something than sit on my ass in jail day after day. The drug rehab happens by being in jail for the most part. Sure their is smuggling I doubt enough to support a habit. Programs aren’t that hard to get into if you actually want to. Here in WA the people would rather just get their fentanyl high and forget the world. I don’t know… or we can just leave them to their own bad judgement and let them shit in the streets. They clearly need help they are unable to give themselves

They can do things in jail though, especially since they would probably be sent to minimum security for something like this. Not all prisons are the same but many have programs where inmates can work for a small profit or other programs to help them integrate back into society. They could also just do nothing which wouldn't be shocking considering these are people who do nothing outside of prison. What is the benefit of choosing to work instead?

Rehab via incarceration doesn't work very well because they do still have access to most drugs, and even those who aren't able to afford a prison habit tend to start using again as soon as they are released, with the added complication of being more likely to overdose as their system isn't conditioned to it anymore.

Sure programs are easy to get into in theory, but at the end of the day they are voluntary and if someone is addicted to drugs or has mental health issues than they are less likely to voluntary take part in them. Like you said people would rather get high and forget the world.

Something definitely needs to be done about it, it has recently become a big issue in my city so I'm not trying to downplay the problem but I think it would be more effective to just jail them instead of the labor force thing, but that comes with a whole laundry list of problems too. It is a shitty situation so it could be that there is no perfect solution.

A step in the right direction IMO would be to start differentiating people who are homeless for mental health, drug or financial reasons and then find some effective way to filter them into the many existing programs to help with those issues, they tend to be treated as a monolith which makes it harder to deal with.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Sep 2 2023 10:07pm

Agree with most of the stuff you posted.. we aren't that far apart.. In the US its at a crisis point and I feel like who's rights need to be intruded upon.. The avg. joe or the homeless.. I personally don't feel like their is a "fair" path to either side at this point.
Something along the lines of what we both say, but maybe not exactly needs to start sooner rather than later.

Same in Canada, I live in a fairly small city and this sort of thing is crazy to see here. I live in a nice part of town and 2 blocks away there is a public park with about 38 tents set up in it for the last year or so. This is right in the center of town too, next to all the tourist spots and an luxury old age home, and it isn't even one of the "designated homeless parks" the government has set up, there are about 6 of those around town. Smells so bad too lol.

Whatever happens it definitely needs to happen quick or people are going to start dealing with it themselves, no one wants to live around a bunch of homeless people.

Labor Day violence: 10 killed, 34 wounded in Chicago, including 6-year-old boy
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2023/9/4/23857684/chicago-labor-day-weekend-gun-violence-4-killed-30-wounded-crime-shooting-cpd-holiday

I heard a cool statistic the other day. USA is in 2nd place for gun violence.

But if you take
Chicago
Detroit
Atlanta
Los Angeles
Philadelphia

5 Democrat controlled cities with the strictest gun laws out of the equation.

USA would be 148th in gun violence.

I'd post the source but I heard it from the Hodge twins on crowder. Sounds legit

i dont doubt it

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