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May 9 2023 01:12pm
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Preaching is never a genuine attempt to help or engage. It's a performance.

You should have learned that a long time ago.


This is an absolute statement that is demonstrably false.

Missionaries have risked their own lives and died in the thousands to help people for over a thousand years. Setting up hospitals, schools, and homes for people, with no benefit to yourself, is not a performance.
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This is an absolute statement that is demonstrably false.

Missionaries have risked their own lives and died in the thousands to help people for over a thousand years. Setting up hospitals, schools, and homes for people, with no benefit to yourself, is not a performance.


Learn the definition of preaching please
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I meant to say geocentric, in that it is uniquely an Earth/Human phenomenon, and irrespective of ability to communicate it is profoundly unlikely that an extraterrestrial, intelligent life would have any conceptualization of a Judeo-Christian religion when uncontacted tribes within our own species fall into the same category.


Oh yes, I would agree it is geocentric - we just have no other information to think otherwise, our best science hasn't been able to find an Earth-like planet anywhere, or any planet that would be hospitable to life (as we know it). We just don't know anything so its certainly very hard to reconcile hypotheticals, I would think though that any belief system of an alien species could be interpreted relative to our own belief systems
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Oh yes, I would agree it is geocentric - we just have no other information to think otherwise, our best science hasn't been able to find an Earth-like planet anywhere, or any planet that would be hospitable to life (as we know it). We just don't know anything so its certainly very hard to reconcile hypotheticals, I would think though that any belief system of an alien species could be interpreted relative to our own belief systems


Should such a discovery happen, and especially within my lifetime, it will be really interesting to see how world religious leaders react, respond, and adapt.
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Should such a discovery happen, and especially within my lifetime, it will be really interesting to see how world religious leaders react, respond, and adapt.


Given a near infinite universe it's approaching a 100% that a planet exists with our same type ozone layer, proximity to it's star, with the same breathable air. where u could jump off a space ship and just walk around.

but it's almost nearly impossible we'll find it any time soon, and if any of those factors are off and require a suit to walk the surface of it religious leaders will just say "god doesnt want us there".

i remember the old adage that the universe is to large that an infinite number of planets like earth exist out there, so many (infinity) that infinite versions of yourself must also exist. that always seemed silly to me, and it's why i dont bother to think much on the concept of infinity, it renders anything useless.
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Should such a discovery happen, and especially within my lifetime, it will be really interesting to see how world religious leaders react, respond, and adapt.


It would be the largest event in history for sure, though I guess it would depend on the level of interaction or relevance, e.g. just observing these lifeforms from a distance or actually making contact
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Learn the definition of preaching please


Preaching is part of the missionary work but I still disagree with your assumption that preaching is never a genuine attempt to help people
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Given a near infinite universe it's approaching a 100% that a planet exists with our same type ozone layer, proximity to it's star, with the same breathable air. where u could jump off a space ship and just walk around.

but it's almost nearly impossible we'll find it any time soon, and if any of those factors are off and require a suit to walk the surface of it religious leaders will just say "god doesnt want us there".

i remember the old adage that the universe is to large that an infinite number of planets like earth exist out there, so many (infinity) that infinite versions of yourself must also exist. that always seemed silly to me, and it's why i dont bother to think much on the concept of infinity, it renders anything useless.


It's is intriguing to think about--makes me think of the Fermi Paradox. We're also limited to our light cone given the limitations of physics, so while theoretically infinite, the universe is experientially finite.

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It would be the largest event in history for sure, though I guess it would depend on the level of interaction or relevance, e.g. just observing these lifeforms from a distance or actually making contact


Agreed. One can only hope that they'd either be friendly, or at least less capable of force than we are. And, of course, I hope we'd be friendly to them.

Can I ask you something: Are you able to talk to your God?

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It's is intriguing to think about--makes me think of the Fermi Paradox. We're also limited to our light cone given the limitations of physics, so while theoretically infinite, the universe is experientially finite.



Agreed. One can only hope that they'd either be friendly, or at least less capable of force than we are. And, of course, I hope we'd be friendly to them.

Can I ask you something: Are you able to talk to your God?


All evidence would point to them not being friendly in my opinion, sort of like finding a wild animal that is afraid of humans

Able to talk to God, no definitely not.

I have had fleeting communications with God interpreted through Jesus but not on my own will
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It's is intriguing to think about--makes me think of the Fermi Paradox. We're also limited to our light cone given the limitations of physics, so while theoretically infinite, the universe is experientially finite.



Agreed. One can only hope that they'd either be friendly, or at least less capable of force than we are. And, of course, I hope we'd be friendly to them.

Can I ask you something: Are you able to talk to your God?


right, the near infinite size of the universe is not observed its the assumption of all working scientific models for how all that is came to be. we can see millions, perhaps billions, of stars under magnification. but science says this is only a TINY TINY fraction of what's out there. we've sent probes out to see further and they only moderately increase what we can see.

i'm not a physics/astronomy conspiracy theorist, but it's is humorous to think the answer to "how do we know it's infinite" is "well it has to be, or our models dont work".
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