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ACB newest lizard person republicans appointed sold her house to a relgious freedom group that constantly brings stuff before her in court


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Jun 24 2023 08:24pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 21 2023 02:49pm)
Sotomayor was receiving millions of dollars from a publishing house involved in a case she then ruled on. By ProPublica's logic, this is a slam dunk case where she clearly have recused herself and corruption of astronomic proportions that she did not. Except of course ProPublica couldn't find time to mention it in their piece on Alito, although they did manage to bring up a long dead Scalia.


Receiving money from a contract for a book deal with a publishing house(which I assume was on her financial disclosure form) feels way less swampy than hitching a free private jet ride with a billionaire. I'm honestly surprised that right-wingers are reacting in this way... of course it's not solid evidence that Alito was corruptly influenced to rule differently but we don't need that evidence to say that ethically it is wrong to accept a gift like that.

Also I think the same about some of Clarence Thomas's revelations. If he has a billionaire friend, that's fine, but it shouldn't be acceptable to accept private jet rides and lavish vacations. At the very least you should have to report that yearly. These are the most important jurists in the country, why are random federal government employees held to higher ethical standards than they are?

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 24 2023 08:28pm
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Receiving money from a contract for a book deal with a publishing house(which I assume was on her financial disclosure form) feels way less swampy than hitching a free private jet ride with a billionaire. I'm honestly surprised that right-wingers are reacting in this way... of course it's not solid evidence that Alito was corruptly influenced to rule differently but we don't need that evidence to say that ethically it is wrong to accept a gift like that.

Also I think the same about some of Clarence Thomas's revelations. If he has a billionaire friend, that's fine, but it shouldn't be acceptable to accept private jet rides and lavish vacations. At the very least you should have to report that yearly. These are the most important jurists in the country, why are random federal government employees held to higher ethical standards than they are?


The ProPublica article boils down to two points. One, Alito received a free plane ticket ProPublica believes he should have reported, and two, this matters because he ended up ruling on a case where the plane ticket gifter was an interested party. In Sotomayor's case, she was earning millions of dollars from a publishing house, and she clearly ruled on a case where her employer was a direct party.

Both Alito (who openly discussed the trip with media at the time) and Sotomayor (who is required to report the income) didn't consider it a conflict of interest. In Alito's case, we're talking about a few hundred dollars to book your own flight. In Sotomayor's case, we're talking about millions of dollars. Unless we're getting stuck up on some imagined procedural crime, and whether that's the case I don't know one way or the other, I'm not sure where the confusion is. Clearly Sotomayor has the more compelling personal interest. That being said, Sotomayor is probably right to think that Penguin House is not going to cancel her contract one way or the other based on how she voted, and she could have reasonably concluded that there is no conflict of interest. I'm fine with that. But we can and should call ProPublica out for a shoddy hit piece that aligns with the Democratic party's villain of the week.

E: To focus solely on Alito, the general narrative from the left is that the Supreme Court is personally corrupt, thereby undermining any decisions they make and setting the stage for future reform (tbd). The question we should ask is whether the alleged indiscretion is at a level where we should be concerned. Was Alito selling decisions like Blagojevich sold senate seats? The general tone of the ProPublica article then veers off into a wider conversation on whether Supreme Court justices are allowed to have social friends, or remain in contact with colleagues in the Federalist Society. For that we should ask, would ProPublica have the same concerns with someone remaining in contact with leading members of the ABA? Probably not.

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Jun 24 2023 09:56pm
Sotomayor did not rule on that case
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The ProPublica article boils down to two points. One, Alito received a free plane ticket ProPublica believes he should have reported, and two, this matters because he ended up ruling on a case where the plane ticket gifter was an interested party. In Sotomayor's case, she was earning millions of dollars from a publishing house, and she clearly ruled on a case where her employer was a direct party.

Both Alito (who openly discussed the trip with media at the time) and Sotomayor (who is required to report the income) didn't consider it a conflict of interest. In Alito's case, we're talking about a few hundred dollars to book your own flight. In Sotomayor's case, we're talking about millions of dollars. Unless we're getting stuck up on some imagined procedural crime, and whether that's the case I don't know one way or the other, I'm not sure where the confusion is. Clearly Sotomayor has the more compelling personal interest. That being said, Sotomayor is probably right to think that Penguin House is not going to cancel her contract one way or the other based on how she voted, and she could have reasonably concluded that there is no conflict of interest. I'm fine with that. But we can and should call ProPublica out for a shoddy hit piece that aligns with the Democratic party's villain of the week.

E: To focus solely on Alito, the general narrative from the left is that the Supreme Court is personally corrupt, thereby undermining any decisions they make and setting the stage for future reform (tbd). The question we should ask is whether the alleged indiscretion is at a level where we should be concerned. Was Alito selling decisions like Blagojevich sold senate seats? The general tone of the ProPublica article then veers off into a wider conversation on whether Supreme Court justices are allowed to have social friends, or remain in contact with colleagues in the Federalist Society. For that we should ask, would ProPublica have the same concerns with someone remaining in contact with leading members of the ABA? Probably not.


I didn't read the article, but my understanding is that Alito did not report the free flight in his disclosures. I assume Sotomayor did report that income from the book deal. So those are worthy distinctions.

Second, I'm a random peasant so I've only flown on normal airlines but I assume a ticket to fly private is thousands of dollars(if it's cheaper maybe you could send me links). So Alito flying private for free, on a billionaires jet, a guy who has cases before the court, is basically a stereotypical example of an ethically compromised position. Again, this action does not prove Alito was compromised, but the principle that should exist for Supreme Court justices is that this kind of thing cannot happen.

I don't think a book deal is the same as a free flight from a billionaire. Maybe the ethics rules should be strict enough that Sotomayor should've recused, but that's a whataboutist argument which avoids the main issue which is Alito and Thomas getting a bunch of free perks from their billionaire buddies, which is far more ethically troublesome than a book deal. Sotomayor could've gotten a book deal from anybody... there's only so many billionaires out there to offer their private jets to SC justices.

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I didn't read the article, but my understanding is that Alito did not report the free flight in his disclosures. I assume Sotomayor did report that income from the book deal. So those are worthy distinctions.

Second, I'm a random peasant so I've only flown on normal airlines but I assume a ticket to fly private is thousands of dollars(if it's cheaper maybe you could send me links). So Alito flying private for free, on a billionaires jet, a guy who has cases before the court, is basically a stereotypical example of an ethically compromised position. Again, this action does not prove Alito was compromised, but the principle that should exist for Supreme Court justices is that this kind of thing cannot happen.

I don't think a book deal is the same as a free flight from a billionaire. Maybe the ethics rules should be strict enough that Sotomayor should've recused, but that's a whataboutist argument which avoids the main issue which is Alito and Thomas getting a bunch of free perks from their billionaire buddies, which is far more ethically troublesome than a book deal. Sotomayor could've gotten a book deal from anybody... there's only so many billionaires out there to offer their private jets to SC justices.


This entire topic is akin to normal folk sharing a cab. Private jets are fast cabs for rich people. I am interested in what you think this is like.

I am also interested in what level of corruption it was when Merrick Garland and Hunter Biden were at the same party.
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Jun 25 2023 06:26am
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Jul 12 2023 11:17am
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/12/clarence-thomas-aide-venmo-payments-lawyers-supreme-court?CMP=share_btn_tw

just normal things happening in a normal democracy, right?

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Several lawyers who have had business before the supreme court, including one who successfully argued to end race-conscious admissions at universities, paid money to a top aide to Justice Clarence Thomas, according to the aide’s Venmo transactions. The payments appear to have been made in connection to Thomas’s 2019 Christmas party.
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Jul 12 2023 03:05pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jul 12 2023 01:17pm)


Are you suggesting that Clarence Thomas, a vocal opponent of affirmative access for decades, was bribed to deliver a verdict he would have delivered anyway by means of an aide receiving cab fare (or whatever other dumb expense said Christmas party entailed)?

Can you expand on what exactly you meant by this?
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Jul 12 2023 03:22pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 12 2023 02:05pm)
Are you suggesting that Clarence Thomas, a vocal opponent of affirmative access for decades, was bribed to deliver a verdict he would have delivered anyway by means of an aide receiving cab fare (or whatever other dumb expense said Christmas party entailed)?

Can you expand on what exactly you meant by this?


a federal judge is receiving money directly from lawyers, lawyers that have had cases brought before him.
are you suggesting that Clarence Thomas is beyond reproach because he would have ruled the same either way?
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