Stop being dishonest, the point is the sanctions did NOT stop NK, if the sanctions had an impact on the great leader himself or not is not even important in this regard.

There's no way to compare NK to Russia hence any intelligent person would understand the sanctions are NOT going to stop Russia but I see I'm asking too much from you, lol



Wrong. That's a Finnish naval base and the page that you linked explains everything you need to know about it. It's NOT a Russian base that was gifted to Finland to celebrate that Finland was part of the Russian empire for 300 years and part of the USSR (for Ukraine / Crimea / Sevastopol naval base comparison)

Stop being dishonest



Read up about Euromaidan, drone, or follow some history classes

see? i knew you would just completely "forget" about your "naval base" talking point and jump to another non-argument to justify the murdering of women and children, lol. you bots are so predictable...

nice spamtopic

+1

Git gud drone

when you have to make up quotes because all your moronic talking points got debunked into oblivion, lol...

bots gonna bot...

Facts:

NATO 2008 summit welcoming Ukraine / Georgia membership
2014 Euromaidan, elected Ukrainian president overthrown and replaced with EU ass licking puppet

Fender: that doesn't count, it's debunked (insert more drivel and mad rants)

Drone

now you're just making stuff up. i debunked your moronic "naval base" talking point - only THEN did you jump to other dumb talking points, trying to justify the murdering of women and children, and the destruction of a whole country...

You ever notice how these simple logical arguments never get refuted?

Ukraine had a democracy. East and west alike agreed it held legitimate elections, the people had their representatives, the most populous oblasts leaned pro-Russian, the elected former governor of Donetsky declined the EU agreement and the western powers backed a coup d'etat that overthrow that democracy. Anything that follows cannot be called a legitimate democracy, no matter how much pretense and flag waving its dressed up in, especially not when that pretense is dropped as the opposition party is banned, dissidents and journalists murdered, half the country disenfranchised, the media seized, even churches raided and nazi death squads in action.

The whole moral and ideological lens about 'defending democracy' ends right there. And nobody really has a way to pretend otherwise. Deflect, attack the other side, call the Russians worse, sure, go ahead, keep wriggling. But "debunking" is what never occurs.

I give you 3 paragraphs and a link, you respond with 1 paragraph which is essentially "lol no ur wrong" and you obviously never even knew about this naval base thing. You said Russia didnt have naval bases in Finland and you were proven plain wrong. It was in use by Russian SFSR after the Winter/Continuation war up until 1956 and given back to Finland just like Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR by the Russian SFSR in 1954. The similarities are there but you just say "lol no theyre not the same".

Nothing will make you change your mind. Youre a contrarian who wants to feel special and different, nothing else. Youre acting in bad faith and out of some primal fear of being labeled a drone. The irony is that in doing so, you actually end up being exactly what you fear to become the most - a drone. Its like incels terrified to death of someone even potentially seeing them as simps or cucks to the point they deteriorate to defining themselves through simping, as "anti-simps". Sounds like identity politics to me.

Not to mention you disregarded the differences between the patterns of tension growth in the 2000s compared to the 50-60s vs 80s.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 2 2023 07:03am

When the conversation deteriorates into a yes - no argument, we need to forget the specifics and dive into objective outcomes:

Russian crackdown on press freedom and freedom of expression, Russian life expectancy, HIV rates, alcohol problems, recent war history, civilian deaths in Ukraine, military deaths both in Ukraine and Russia... and much more.

Yet somehow, even if the West isn't perfect and is guilty of wrongdoings, you still think Russia's side needs to be defended? That's false equivalence and a prime example of Soviet whataboutism in the 2020s. Red herrings everywhere. Were talking about Russia causing the deaths of civilians throigh immediate actions, yet the West is still to blame? Saying Russia is bad is not the same as saying the West is pure good. The West is only less bad, but still much better. You siths deal in absolutes.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 2 2023 07:13am